"The Academy of Baccio Bandinelli" by Enea Vico‘Three Experiments in Poetic Form’ by James A. Tweedie The Society February 25, 2021 Beauty, Poetry, Poetry Forms 30 Comments . Midday Dreaming The raindrops fall like teardrops from a sad and sodden cloud; Their spattering the sound of some a- doring, cheerful crowd. I touch the cloud with outstretched fingers Lifted to the sky, The rainfall’s ozone fragrance lingers As the storm rolls by. I hear the sound of distant thunder Muffled through the trees, And find myself caught up in wonder With the Autumn breeze. Caressed by heaven, like a dove I Ride upon the wind And glimpse a kingdom kissed by love I Dreamed had never sinned. A patch of blue and sunlight streaming Rainbows in its wake Commingle with my midday dreaming, Stirring me awake. Too fleeting was the vision of a Mystery unfurled That lifted me on wings above a Fragile, rainbowed world. . . Insufferable Me Insufferable me: A royal pain, A pebble in your shoe, A total bother. I’m sure that you’ll agree That I am vain, A patriarchal shrew, And yet a loving father. There’s part of me that’s flawed, Consumed by sin, A hypocrite and more, A bad example. But sometimes I’m like God, Who welcomes in And feeds the hungry poor— My righteousness is ample! It is as if there’s two Of me inside. One standing in the sun And one in shadows. A script I can’t undo, My hands are tied. And what is to be done? The answer only God knows. But there are others, too (I’m not alone), Who look a lot like me; Birds of a feather. I am, along with you, God’s fallen clone. And far as I can see, We’re all in this together. . . Allergies An Anapest Dimeter Sonnet Fresh breeze __Birds sing, __Bee’s knees, __It’s spring With al- __Lergies __I al- __Ways sneeze, But if __And when __I sniff __Again. I hope. I’ll cope. . . James A. Tweedie is a recently retired pastor living in Long Beach, Washington. He likes to walk on the beach with his wife. He has written and self-published four novels and a collection of short stories. He has several hundred unpublished poems tucked away in drawers. NOTE TO READERS: If you enjoyed this poem or other content, please consider making a donation to the Society of Classical Poets. The Society of Classical Poets does not endorse any views expressed in individual poems or commentary. Share this:Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window)Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window)Click to print (Opens in new window)Click to share on LinkedIn (Opens in new window)Click to share on WhatsApp (Opens in new window)Click to email a link to a friend (Opens in new window)Click to share on Pinterest (Opens in new window)Trending now: 30 Responses Allegra Silberstein February 25, 2021 I love your poems…your use of rhyme is great model for me…thank you…Allegra Reply Joe Tessitore February 25, 2021 Great work, especially “Allergies”! Reply Julian D. Woodruff February 25, 2021 The modulation of rhyme in the last stanzas of “Insufferable Me” is a great piece of work, James. I agree with Mr. Tessitore on “Allergies” (also very inventive formally), but aren’t those spenders (more or less) rather than anapests? Reply Julian D. Woodruff February 25, 2021 Oh, gosh! Spondees! Reply James A. Tweedie February 25, 2021 Julian, My guess is that one of us is wrong or that both of us are right. Reply Margaret Coats February 25, 2021 It looks to me as though both of you are partly right. An anapest has two unstressed syllables followed by a stressed syllable, and with no three-syllable feet in “Allergies,” there are no anapests. James is wrong about anapests, but ultimately correct that “both of us are (partly) right.” A spondee is a foot of two stressed syllables, and this may be the case in the first four lines. Congratulations, James, I don’t recall ever seeing a spondaic quatrain! It is spondaic monometer, because there is only one foot per line. After that, though, the meter seems to collapse to iambic monometer. Thus Julian is also partly right (about spondees in the first quatrain), but this is not a poem in which every syllable is stressed, as it would have to be if all the lines were spondaic. And here I am, writing a comment that seems to be more in Peter Hartley’s style! Russel Winick February 25, 2021 James: All three of these poems were lovely to read. Insufferable Me particularly resonates here, in its portrayal of the combination of very good and not-so-good that’s inside many of us. Reply Peter Hartley February 25, 2021 James – You should write a book about metrics and prosody but I imagine you already have, together with your almighty tome on Millais’s illustrations for the novels of W M Thackeray and your book of music for the B flat crumhorn. The third one I like the best for it’s sheer economy of expression, the fact that you have managed to get an amusing story packed into just twenty-four words. I must apologise for the stray unpossessive apostrophe in my comment above. It is the default on this i pad which I am shortly going to disembowel. Reply James A. Tweedie February 25, 2021 Peter, Unfortunately, both books to which you refer are out of print because, as my publisher so tactfully put it, “After ten years not even one person was interested enough to buy either one.” Personally, of my three poems I like the first one because of its form, with the lines alternating between iamb/trochee, with the alternating 4/3/4/3-meter and with the second and third lines with feminine endings, several in unexpected ways. I’m not convinced that, as a poem, it is as successful as the other two but it is, in my mind, the most unusual. Reply Jeff Eardley February 25, 2021 Mr Tweedie, thanks for these three and for increasing my vocabulary (Commingle) by one. I was saddened to read about the lack of sales of your book on the Bb crumhorn. I wonder if there were books on crumhorns in other keys that sold better? In the early 70’s there was a short-lived English Renaissance rock band called Gryphon that featured the crumhorn. Their “Midnight Mushrumps” album is a must for any connoisseur of this delightful instrument. Reply James A. Tweedie February 25, 2021 Jeff, After Peter’s and my banter I wasn’t sure if you were serious about the Gryphon recording or not so I looked it up and sure enough, there was the crumhorn leading the way at the start! A well produced album, but the way, but, although long, repetitious, pretentious and tedious, it makes up for it by being clever and amusing (if one takes the time and effort to watch for it). I was also surprised to see that they were still at it with an impressive live concert in Islington in 2015. They appear to have found enough of a cultic fan base to keep them alive and still at it after all these years. Thanks for the shout. For others who may not know what it is, the crumhorn is similar to other double reed instruments of the Renaissance such as the the shawm (as Wikipedia puts it, “The shawm was reserved almost exclusively for outdoor performance—for softer, indoor music, other instruments such as the crumhorn . . . were preferred.”) Both were forebears of the oboe family, which overtook and replaced them during the Baroque period. The two books exist, of course, only in Peter’s imaginations– and now, in ours! Reply Peter Hartley February 25, 2021 James – It seems that your good name has been misappropriated for possibly nefarious purposes. I have with my very own mince pies seen a copy of an instruction manual and servicing guide for the Bflat crumhorn with your moniker on the cover, remaindered in my local butcher’s. I myself have become, though I say it myself, a bit of a past master as a shawmier and arch-lutenist with the advantage of your mini-series of master guide books. One of my neighbours recently described my rendering of Colonel Bogey at 3.00am as “somewhat akin” (he said “somewhat akin”, not me; pretentious git) to that of a sawn-off set of bagpipes playing scordatura in an aircraft hangar. I told him I owe it all to JAT. And I have a pair of brand new shiny fipples to prove it. “Somewhat akin” he said. Would you Adam and Eve it??? Jeff Eardley February 26, 2021 Mr Tweedie, I should have learned by now to treat any comment by Mr. Hartley with a pinch, or perhaps a handful of salt. I am glad you enjoyed Gryphon. I saw them many times live in the 70’s and they were great fun. One member, Richard Harvey, went on to do great things. His collaborations with guitarist John Williams produced the sublime “Concerto Antico.”Thanks again for all your verse and your banter with Mr. Hartley which is worthy of a website of its own. Cynthia Erlandson February 26, 2021 These musical comments are making me laugh out loud! (One just doesn’t hear too often about crumhorns….) Reply C.B. Anderson February 25, 2021 The first poem, James, was suitably dreamy, and I see what you have done: you have used a feminine ending in the iambic A-line to match up with the trochaic B-line to create a two-line sequence that could be scanned as one long continuous iambic line. I’ve done this myself a time or two, and I was not dissatisfied with the result, and neither should you be. This technique demands a bit of tolerant understanding on the part of the reader, but, really, that’s not a lot to ask if you remain steadfast in your established rhythm. The second poem rhymes quatrain to quatrain, which is done consistently throughout. Not a bad idea at all! The last lines of stanzas 1 & 2 don’t quite line up metrically, but I’m not sure there is a better solution than yours. But you have done this in all the other stanza pairs as well, so the pattern is preserved/conserved, and it would be hard to object to something so deliberately and systematically done. The third poem was an example of extreme compression, with words themselves enjambed on at least one occasion. That is a risky practice, but it is justified if the poem as a whole is worth reading, which, in this case, it was. However there wasn’t a single anapest in the whole damn thing, much less two per line. I like experiments of this sort, just so long as the experimenter knows his metrics and sticks to it relentlessly, which is what you’ve done. Reply James A. Tweedie February 25, 2021 C. B. Your eagle eye has spotted things from afar that I had not noticed from up close! I am pleased that my intentions were recognized so precisely and doubly pleased that you found them to be successful. Of the three, the third is a one-off gimmick but the second flows so well that I believe it could and should be given a name (if it does not already have one) and be imitated. Reply James A. Tweedie February 25, 2021 Margaret, You are definitely correct re the monometer and I humbly submit to your exegetical parsing of sponsees, trochees and iambs. Perhaps, with editorial intervention, the poem could be re-subtitled simply, “A Monometer Sonnet” and leave it at that! As for Peter Hartley, I have found that he has been rubbing off on me as well. But he is far too good at being Peter Hartley for me to embarrass myself by attempting to imitate him in a public forum. Reply C.B. Anderson February 26, 2021 In regard, James, to the second poem, I have read poems with long-range rhymes before, sometimes condensed into a single stanza eight lines long. It’s name, right now, is simply the most compact phrase that conveys an accurate description of the poem’s architecture. But I think you are looking for something more catchy. How about “Ditto?” Yes, I think simply “monometer,” without specifying any particular type of metrical foot, for the last poem, which is a gem. Reply Paul Freeman February 26, 2021 Allergies is phenomenal – and potentially an addictive form. Thanks for a trio of fine reads. Reply James A. Tweedie February 26, 2021 Paul, There is an interesting SCP back-story to my “phenomenal” sonnet. It was inspired by a passing comment from Evan Mantyk last July where, in the middle of a series of comments about someone’s sonnet, he wrote, “If it is 14 lines and uses some kind of formal meter, to me, it seems okay, though not ideal.” In a private response I wrote this sonnet as a “tongue-in-cheek” illustration in support of his broad consideration of what might be considered a sonnet. I don’t think I would have or could have written it apart from Evan’s unintended inspiration! Reply Susan Jarvis Bryant February 26, 2021 James, I love the playfulness of the end rhymes in “Midday Dreaming” and I also like “Insufferable Me”, but your sonnet has blown my metaphorical socks off and it makes me want to veer from the orthodox path myself. Reply James A. Tweedie February 26, 2021 Susan, with the cold weather you’ve been having I hope the “socks off” comment was metaphorical! Thanks for the affirmations. Reply BRIAN YAPKO February 26, 2021 Each one of these is a gem but I especially love Midday Dreaming, which I read as two lines of seven feet with perfectly calibrated internal rhymes, rather than as 4-3-4-3. It should be set to music. Reply James A. Tweedie February 26, 2021 Brian, the way I formatted it was to show off the internal pattern and in so doing I forced it into a 4-3 form. You are completely correct in saying that it reads as two lines of seven feet with internal rhymes. It is the feminine internal rhymes that make it a variant form. It reads poorly when the 4-3 form is stressed. Reply Cynthia Erlandson February 26, 2021 I find all three of these to be delightful experiments! Reply Yael February 27, 2021 All 3 poems are perfectly delightful, especially when read together with the comments while listening to Gryphon. Thanks to you all! Reply David Watt February 28, 2021 I enjoyed your three experimental, yet consistently entertaining poems. I think the form of “Insufferable Me” may prove to be more popular following your example. Reply Paul Hansford March 4, 2021 James, I commend you for your inventive compositions, but (sadly) don’t quite agree with the details in “Midday Dreaming. Lines 1-2. Separating “a” from the noun “cloud”, isn’t a good plan, and splitting “adoring” between lines 3-4 makes it even more difficult. Verse 4 – “Like a dove I” does indeed rhyme perfectly with “kissed by love I”, but separating “I” from the verbs again interrupts the flow. Verse 5 – The rhyming of “wake” with “awake” might raise a few eyebrows, but the meanings are different, so for me it’s quite OK. Reply James A. Tweedie March 5, 2021 Paul, I don’t disagree with you. (and, by the way, my decision to pair “wake” and “awake” was based on your own conclusion, which is that they are two completely different words with completely different meanings–something I would ordinarily try to avoid but, in this case, made an exception) And in your support what you have said, I will simply repeat my earlier response to Brian: Brian, the way I formatted (Midday Dreaming) was to show off the internal pattern and in so doing I forced it into a 4-3 form. You are completely correct in saying that it reads as two lines of seven feet with internal rhymes. It is the feminine internal rhymes that make it a variant form. 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Allegra Silberstein February 25, 2021 I love your poems…your use of rhyme is great model for me…thank you…Allegra Reply
Julian D. Woodruff February 25, 2021 The modulation of rhyme in the last stanzas of “Insufferable Me” is a great piece of work, James. I agree with Mr. Tessitore on “Allergies” (also very inventive formally), but aren’t those spenders (more or less) rather than anapests? Reply
James A. Tweedie February 25, 2021 Julian, My guess is that one of us is wrong or that both of us are right. Reply
Margaret Coats February 25, 2021 It looks to me as though both of you are partly right. An anapest has two unstressed syllables followed by a stressed syllable, and with no three-syllable feet in “Allergies,” there are no anapests. James is wrong about anapests, but ultimately correct that “both of us are (partly) right.” A spondee is a foot of two stressed syllables, and this may be the case in the first four lines. Congratulations, James, I don’t recall ever seeing a spondaic quatrain! It is spondaic monometer, because there is only one foot per line. After that, though, the meter seems to collapse to iambic monometer. Thus Julian is also partly right (about spondees in the first quatrain), but this is not a poem in which every syllable is stressed, as it would have to be if all the lines were spondaic. And here I am, writing a comment that seems to be more in Peter Hartley’s style!
Russel Winick February 25, 2021 James: All three of these poems were lovely to read. Insufferable Me particularly resonates here, in its portrayal of the combination of very good and not-so-good that’s inside many of us. Reply
Peter Hartley February 25, 2021 James – You should write a book about metrics and prosody but I imagine you already have, together with your almighty tome on Millais’s illustrations for the novels of W M Thackeray and your book of music for the B flat crumhorn. The third one I like the best for it’s sheer economy of expression, the fact that you have managed to get an amusing story packed into just twenty-four words. I must apologise for the stray unpossessive apostrophe in my comment above. It is the default on this i pad which I am shortly going to disembowel. Reply
James A. Tweedie February 25, 2021 Peter, Unfortunately, both books to which you refer are out of print because, as my publisher so tactfully put it, “After ten years not even one person was interested enough to buy either one.” Personally, of my three poems I like the first one because of its form, with the lines alternating between iamb/trochee, with the alternating 4/3/4/3-meter and with the second and third lines with feminine endings, several in unexpected ways. I’m not convinced that, as a poem, it is as successful as the other two but it is, in my mind, the most unusual. Reply
Jeff Eardley February 25, 2021 Mr Tweedie, thanks for these three and for increasing my vocabulary (Commingle) by one. I was saddened to read about the lack of sales of your book on the Bb crumhorn. I wonder if there were books on crumhorns in other keys that sold better? In the early 70’s there was a short-lived English Renaissance rock band called Gryphon that featured the crumhorn. Their “Midnight Mushrumps” album is a must for any connoisseur of this delightful instrument. Reply
James A. Tweedie February 25, 2021 Jeff, After Peter’s and my banter I wasn’t sure if you were serious about the Gryphon recording or not so I looked it up and sure enough, there was the crumhorn leading the way at the start! A well produced album, but the way, but, although long, repetitious, pretentious and tedious, it makes up for it by being clever and amusing (if one takes the time and effort to watch for it). I was also surprised to see that they were still at it with an impressive live concert in Islington in 2015. They appear to have found enough of a cultic fan base to keep them alive and still at it after all these years. Thanks for the shout. For others who may not know what it is, the crumhorn is similar to other double reed instruments of the Renaissance such as the the shawm (as Wikipedia puts it, “The shawm was reserved almost exclusively for outdoor performance—for softer, indoor music, other instruments such as the crumhorn . . . were preferred.”) Both were forebears of the oboe family, which overtook and replaced them during the Baroque period. The two books exist, of course, only in Peter’s imaginations– and now, in ours! Reply
Peter Hartley February 25, 2021 James – It seems that your good name has been misappropriated for possibly nefarious purposes. I have with my very own mince pies seen a copy of an instruction manual and servicing guide for the Bflat crumhorn with your moniker on the cover, remaindered in my local butcher’s. I myself have become, though I say it myself, a bit of a past master as a shawmier and arch-lutenist with the advantage of your mini-series of master guide books. One of my neighbours recently described my rendering of Colonel Bogey at 3.00am as “somewhat akin” (he said “somewhat akin”, not me; pretentious git) to that of a sawn-off set of bagpipes playing scordatura in an aircraft hangar. I told him I owe it all to JAT. And I have a pair of brand new shiny fipples to prove it. “Somewhat akin” he said. Would you Adam and Eve it???
Jeff Eardley February 26, 2021 Mr Tweedie, I should have learned by now to treat any comment by Mr. Hartley with a pinch, or perhaps a handful of salt. I am glad you enjoyed Gryphon. I saw them many times live in the 70’s and they were great fun. One member, Richard Harvey, went on to do great things. His collaborations with guitarist John Williams produced the sublime “Concerto Antico.”Thanks again for all your verse and your banter with Mr. Hartley which is worthy of a website of its own.
Cynthia Erlandson February 26, 2021 These musical comments are making me laugh out loud! (One just doesn’t hear too often about crumhorns….) Reply
C.B. Anderson February 25, 2021 The first poem, James, was suitably dreamy, and I see what you have done: you have used a feminine ending in the iambic A-line to match up with the trochaic B-line to create a two-line sequence that could be scanned as one long continuous iambic line. I’ve done this myself a time or two, and I was not dissatisfied with the result, and neither should you be. This technique demands a bit of tolerant understanding on the part of the reader, but, really, that’s not a lot to ask if you remain steadfast in your established rhythm. The second poem rhymes quatrain to quatrain, which is done consistently throughout. Not a bad idea at all! The last lines of stanzas 1 & 2 don’t quite line up metrically, but I’m not sure there is a better solution than yours. But you have done this in all the other stanza pairs as well, so the pattern is preserved/conserved, and it would be hard to object to something so deliberately and systematically done. The third poem was an example of extreme compression, with words themselves enjambed on at least one occasion. That is a risky practice, but it is justified if the poem as a whole is worth reading, which, in this case, it was. However there wasn’t a single anapest in the whole damn thing, much less two per line. I like experiments of this sort, just so long as the experimenter knows his metrics and sticks to it relentlessly, which is what you’ve done. Reply
James A. Tweedie February 25, 2021 C. B. Your eagle eye has spotted things from afar that I had not noticed from up close! I am pleased that my intentions were recognized so precisely and doubly pleased that you found them to be successful. Of the three, the third is a one-off gimmick but the second flows so well that I believe it could and should be given a name (if it does not already have one) and be imitated. Reply
James A. Tweedie February 25, 2021 Margaret, You are definitely correct re the monometer and I humbly submit to your exegetical parsing of sponsees, trochees and iambs. Perhaps, with editorial intervention, the poem could be re-subtitled simply, “A Monometer Sonnet” and leave it at that! As for Peter Hartley, I have found that he has been rubbing off on me as well. But he is far too good at being Peter Hartley for me to embarrass myself by attempting to imitate him in a public forum. Reply
C.B. Anderson February 26, 2021 In regard, James, to the second poem, I have read poems with long-range rhymes before, sometimes condensed into a single stanza eight lines long. It’s name, right now, is simply the most compact phrase that conveys an accurate description of the poem’s architecture. But I think you are looking for something more catchy. How about “Ditto?” Yes, I think simply “monometer,” without specifying any particular type of metrical foot, for the last poem, which is a gem. Reply
Paul Freeman February 26, 2021 Allergies is phenomenal – and potentially an addictive form. Thanks for a trio of fine reads. Reply
James A. Tweedie February 26, 2021 Paul, There is an interesting SCP back-story to my “phenomenal” sonnet. It was inspired by a passing comment from Evan Mantyk last July where, in the middle of a series of comments about someone’s sonnet, he wrote, “If it is 14 lines and uses some kind of formal meter, to me, it seems okay, though not ideal.” In a private response I wrote this sonnet as a “tongue-in-cheek” illustration in support of his broad consideration of what might be considered a sonnet. I don’t think I would have or could have written it apart from Evan’s unintended inspiration! Reply
Susan Jarvis Bryant February 26, 2021 James, I love the playfulness of the end rhymes in “Midday Dreaming” and I also like “Insufferable Me”, but your sonnet has blown my metaphorical socks off and it makes me want to veer from the orthodox path myself. Reply
James A. Tweedie February 26, 2021 Susan, with the cold weather you’ve been having I hope the “socks off” comment was metaphorical! Thanks for the affirmations. Reply
BRIAN YAPKO February 26, 2021 Each one of these is a gem but I especially love Midday Dreaming, which I read as two lines of seven feet with perfectly calibrated internal rhymes, rather than as 4-3-4-3. It should be set to music. Reply
James A. Tweedie February 26, 2021 Brian, the way I formatted it was to show off the internal pattern and in so doing I forced it into a 4-3 form. You are completely correct in saying that it reads as two lines of seven feet with internal rhymes. It is the feminine internal rhymes that make it a variant form. It reads poorly when the 4-3 form is stressed. Reply
Yael February 27, 2021 All 3 poems are perfectly delightful, especially when read together with the comments while listening to Gryphon. Thanks to you all! Reply
David Watt February 28, 2021 I enjoyed your three experimental, yet consistently entertaining poems. I think the form of “Insufferable Me” may prove to be more popular following your example. Reply
Paul Hansford March 4, 2021 James, I commend you for your inventive compositions, but (sadly) don’t quite agree with the details in “Midday Dreaming. Lines 1-2. Separating “a” from the noun “cloud”, isn’t a good plan, and splitting “adoring” between lines 3-4 makes it even more difficult. Verse 4 – “Like a dove I” does indeed rhyme perfectly with “kissed by love I”, but separating “I” from the verbs again interrupts the flow. Verse 5 – The rhyming of “wake” with “awake” might raise a few eyebrows, but the meanings are different, so for me it’s quite OK. Reply
James A. Tweedie March 5, 2021 Paul, I don’t disagree with you. (and, by the way, my decision to pair “wake” and “awake” was based on your own conclusion, which is that they are two completely different words with completely different meanings–something I would ordinarily try to avoid but, in this case, made an exception) And in your support what you have said, I will simply repeat my earlier response to Brian: Brian, the way I formatted (Midday Dreaming) was to show off the internal pattern and in so doing I forced it into a 4-3 form. You are completely correct in saying that it reads as two lines of seven feet with internal rhymes. It is the feminine internal rhymes that make it a variant form. It reads poorly when the 4-3 form is stressed. Reply
Hall March 6, 2021 New to this platform. I enjoyed your music here and unique dialectic. You will be hearing from me again. Reply
