Saint Andrew and the Scottish flag‘The Battle of Athelstaneford’: A Poem by Margaret Coats The Society September 21, 2023 Beauty, Culture, Poetry 36 Comments . The Battle of Athelstaneford King Angus clapperclawed NorthumbriansIn combat close enough to hammer faces;His Pictish troops enacted brutal plansTo break the bones of foes with metal macesAnd throttle dumbstruck throats with hempen laces.The savage screams of naked Picts rammed fearThrough adversaries, leaving gutless traces;Their kinglet fell, pierced by a Z-rod spear,And Angus drowned him in a brook at hand,As he had killed a rogue of his own band. The winners sought out rest and recreationAt Athelstaneford, inland from Fife’s coast,With water, grain, and grass, a good locationTo spot approaching farmers or a hostAt arms. Days later, with most of them engrossed In manly sports, their sentries glimpse despair.That night they’d be entrapped by force utmost,With no escape, and no recourse but prayer.They readied weapons, charms, and vows, not slowedBut hopeless as they smeared bare chests with woad. The watch was doubled; warriors tried to sleep.Council at cockcrow planned, the king retiredAnd dreamed. He heard, “God grants that you may keepYour lives, and triumph in the strife. Required From you is scot. I, Andrew, have desiredFor Picts the glory I possess; its price,Your tithe of all you ever have acquired,Paid down straightway you win, a sacrificeMade under no duress, but willingly.Take heart! The cross of Christ and mine you’ll see.” At sunrise, a broad silver saltire gleamedAbove, surged west, and led the Pictish thrust.Tall carnyx players lifted horns that seemedBrass monsters ’mid men heated with blood lust.They broke through hostile ranks as if a gustOf flails and slashing swords and drumfire soundHad ravaged flesh and ground strong souls to dust.That army huge, last night encamped all round,Lay prone, mere carnage, dirk-and-dagger slain,With stragglers struggling off in piercing pain. But Athelstan their chief had fled by horse—King Angus with his square-axe men pursuedAnd rugged him down at Cogtail Burn’s swift course,Beheading him when in the end subdued.“Our victory we gained by Andrew’s rood,”Roared Angus. “To God through him I give the titheOf all I own, to wit, these fields accrued,Their kine and corn cut yearly by the scythe.O glorious hero, lead us evermore!Go—call his culdees to accept the store.” . Poet’s Note The battle of Athelstaneford took place near the hamlet of that name in the Scottish region of Fife. Athelstan, leader of Northumbrian forces from England, was killed trying to cross the small stream called Cogtail Burn. A traditional date is 832, but it could have been much earlier. Very little is certain, except that this battle is remembered as the occasion when Scotland acquired its patron saint, Andrew, and its national flag, the white X-shaped cross on a blue field. The Picts were one of the ancient races of Scotland, called “picti” by the Romans because they dyed their bodies blue with the plant woad. The Z-rod spear and the square-head battle axe were distinctive Pictish weapons. cockcrow: pre-dawn sign of approaching dayscot: assessed paymenttithe: tenthduress: compulsionsaltire: X-shaped crosscarnyx: battle horn with an animal headrugged: pulled rood: crucifixkine: cattleculdees: ancient Christian ascetics in the British isles . Example of a carnyx: . . Margaret Coats lives in California. She holds a Ph.D. in English and American Literature and Language from Harvard University. She has retired from a career of teaching literature, languages, and writing that included considerable work in homeschooling for her own family and others. NOTE TO READERS: If you enjoyed this poem or other content, please consider making a donation to the Society of Classical Poets. The Society of Classical Poets does not endorse any views expressed in individual poems or commentary. 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One of the reasons there are less tall men in Europe is because commanders like Napoleon would place their tallest men in the front of their formation to intimidate the enemy, thus losing the tallest first and leaving the less tall men to survive resulting in the process of “natural” selection. Reply Margaret Coats September 22, 2023 Roy, I wanted to write a battle poem, and I had plenty of information about the site and traditional story of this one. It remains significant (though unconfirmed from the point of view of modern historians) because it established the national flag. That made it a good choice, and beyond the outline, I was not constrained by known tactics. The Romans say the Picts fought naked (causing terror by the horrible blue of their bodies) and made dreadful noise. Archeology shows the kinds of weapons they used. As for the carnyx, Romans told about the sonorous cry, but no one heard it for 1000 years, until a few were recently reconstructed. Since these horns themselves are tall, it must have taken big men to carry and play them as a contribution to battle clamor! Thanks very much for your reading and appreciation. Reply Jeremiah Johnson September 21, 2023 Margaret, Just wanted to say how much I enjoyed this matter-of-fact romp through ancient European history! No commentary on the validity of doing violence in the name of Christ – just good old-fashioned story-telling 🙂 And with a simplicity of feeling in the lines that belies the craft beneath them! Reply Margaret Coats September 22, 2023 Jeremiah, I’m happy to know that the story came across as a simple tale from old times. Even the saint in the dream is a practical guy, making a deal that the violent pagan warrior can’t resist. Trapped in a deadly situation, just put Andrew in charge and you’ll get out alive and victorious for paying 10% of your property right away! Who wouldn’t agree? Reply James A. Tweedie September 21, 2023 Margaret, This is a singularly outstanding work deserving of a pushcart or a Pulitzer. It shines with the highest and finest of your craft, your knowledge of language and history, all distilled to a form that is itself a work of art. I am humbled to discover I had not previously known of this battle, its place in Scottish history, and its role in establishing the St. Andrew saltire as the preeminent national symbol of Scotland. “Bravo!” he shouted as the audience rose as one to offer a standing ovation in the hope encouraging an encore . . . Reply Margaret Coats September 22, 2023 Thank you very much, James. You have encouraged me to go on with the sequel, concerning the establishment of Saint Andrews in northern Scotland, a site which was decided by a providential shipwreck. Let’s pray that I can get it done. I’m not surprised you hadn’t heard of the battle. Some modern historians don’t believe in it. Angus here is a shadowy figure. Scottish Heritage (the ones who place signs at historic places) has identified him with Angus II King of Picts and thus supports the 832 battle date–but he could have been Angus I. The stanza form was chosen as one of the more ample ones used for narrative in an old Scottish poetry book. The Scots seem to like elaborate variety; after the earliest period, there are not many stories in rhyming couplets! Reply Julian D. Woodruff September 21, 2023 Very vivid, colorful account ,Margaret, with close attention to how extra syllables are placed, I notice. Thanks also for the mini-glossary that supports your marvelous vocabulary. The circumstances and outcome remind me a bit of Lepanto. Reply Margaret Coats September 22, 2023 Thank you, Julian. I tried for warlike color. Your careful musical reading notices those two places with extra syllables–during the time lapse in line 15, and then after Angus roars in the last stanza. Dramatic spots where more time is appropriate, as long as it does not introduce an extra accent! I’m honored to have this compared to Lepanto, a great battle poem where faith and culture are at stake. At Athelstaneford, the opposing forces were both in part (but only part) Christian. The outcome for Scotland was earthly protection by the king for the advance of the Faith, and acknowledgement of the heavenly patron who took the Picts as his own, and still watches over their descendants. It’s one of those stirring stories where “You have not chosen me, but I have chosen you.” Reply Paul Freeman September 21, 2023 Apart from being well written, this poem is an education, Margaret. Reply Margaret Coats September 22, 2023 Two great compliments in ten words, Paul! As usual, I have to use a few more to thank you for reading my lengthy work. Reply Joseph S. Salemi September 21, 2023 Margaret’s use of rare diction makes this poem seem as barbarically rich as a jewel-encrusted medieval scabbard. Clapperclawed, hempen, woad, square-axe, cockcrow, scot, carnyx — and the very visual “dirk-and-dagger slain”… all of them are like old coins from a treasure chest. The rhyme of “tithe” and “scythe” is pure brilliance! I had not heard the word “culdee” for many years. I used to think that it was an actual monastic order (I recall the spelling as “Culdee”), but now as a result of reading this poem I have learned that it was not a formal organization. This is a powerful and historically revelatory poem. Absolutely top-notch work! Reply Margaret Coats September 22, 2023 Thank you, Joe. I’m pleased I could move this ancient story into action using some of our precious word treasure. Little details from study turned into lines and phrases. For example, the Athelstaneford area was acknowledged as a battle site when an ancient burial cist was found. It would have been a rude temporary enclosure, which thus preserved a skeleton, probably from an individual of higher rank. The man’s skull had been fractured five times, twice with blows to the face. That’s where my “hammer faces” idea came from. And “clapperclaw” is a similar style of attack. I too remember “Culdees” being capitalized, and there are separatist Christians now who use the capitalized name and have nothing to do with organizations other than their own. The culdees in Scotland seem to have been fluid in organizational mode, “servants of God” sometimes comparable to canons under a bishop, who could take on a particular purpose such as administering the property given by King Angus in my poem. Glad it was worth reading and commenting on. Reply Brian A. Yapko September 22, 2023 Margaret, there is much to appreciate in this magnificent epic-themed poem, from the selected form to the language to the fascinating story itself. The form seems to be a shortened sonnet form with a rhyme scheme of a-b-a-b-b-c-b-c-d-d, which I read as an abbreviated Spenserian sonnet. It’s a good choice for storytelling as it has expected rhymes but also a metrical drive to it punctuated by those recharging couplets in each stanza. Like Dr. Salemi, I admire your use of Medieval language – used in just the right amount to add spice rather than obscurity – and the ancient quality it brings to this tale. The violence in your story is handled with taste but is still exciting. Your use of the word “rood” conjured for me memories of The Dream of the Rood, which, I hope, is not far off base since it also describes a muscular form of Christianity and is probably roughly contemporaneous with the events in your poem. . Finally, there is the story itself. I have a particular fondness for St. Andrew since he happens to be the patron saint of my mother’s homeland of Prussia and since I was actually named for him (that’s what the A. stands for.) I have never known the story of how Andrew became patron saint of Scotland so this story was as much educational as entertaining. I think it is worth noting that the theme of the Cross leading warriors to victory carries strong echoes of Constantine the Great winning the battle of the Milvian Bridge in 312 A.D. and changing the course of history. Both battles – and how they were won – should be remembered more often and with more confidence in these comparatively faithless times. Reply Margaret Coats September 22, 2023 Brian Andrew, how right you are! I’m happy to have you mention Constantine, because the Scots, in times of faith, looked at finding their national symbol as a Constantine-event for their land. They were chosen for Christ by Saint Andrew who had prayed for them. After it happened there were three kings of Scotland named Constantine. Andrew appears in my poem as he does in Walter Bower’s Scotichronicon of the 15th century. He wants the Picts to have the celestial glory he possesses, and he will show them so first by giving them military glory. Andrew is a lawyer-like patron in the deal he offers. Angus is not allowed to back out because he was under duress, and he has to pay immediately, but what Andrew promises is not just victory on that field at Athelstaneford. It’s Heaven for the Picts. And what an unlikely earthly deputy he chooses in Angus! Angus had a reputation even in his brutal age of being brutal, cruel, and disloyal. That’s why I’ve made the first stanza raid on Northumbria so violent. The worst instrument can be chosen to serve God’s purposes. He just needs to cooperate. You’re also right to mention Dream of the Rood. Part of that English poem is inscribed on a tall Scottish rood of the 8th century somewhere in the region of Fife. You can probably find a picture if you look up Dream of the Rood images. Reply Margaret Coats September 24, 2023 Please excuse the abrupt ending of my reply to you, Brian. You are correct that the stanza form of this poem is, in effect, a Spenserian sonnet minus one quatrain. I have noted elsewhere that the Spenserian sonnet should be called the Scottish sonnet from its early development and use in Scotland. And as I told James Tweedie above, I found this very 10-line stanza form used for narrative in Scottish poetry of the past. I like your reference to the couplet at the end of each stanza as “recharging.” I had thought of it as organizing and separating material in sizable blocks that do not become independent poems, as in a sonnet sequence. Both views work. I very much value your observations on the decorum of the poem. I think a battle poem ought to include violence, not merely names and tactics of the event, but I agree that the violence is best presented with taste, such that the poem’s language reports violence, without doing violence to the reader. Disgusting readers by violent language turns the poem into another type, where the poet enters the field to do battle, with the intent to give offence. This is poor artistry, as is overloading a poem with archaic language to the point of obscurity. Thank you again for finding attractve restraint in both the archaic language and in the depiction of violence which is nonetheless as exciting as it should be! And of course I’m glad to have told a story worthy to be remembered. Reply R M Moore September 27, 2023 Dear Margaret, Well said about presenting violent language in a tasteful manner within the arts. In the case of poetry, the reader never appreciates being offended by the poet acting out his intent to give offence. On another note, please give me a call about Chant for November. Thanks! R. Margaret Coats September 29, 2023 Thanks for your very apt reflection on the topic of reader response, Mrs. Moore. I am at work on chant for November, as we have discussed. Talbot September 24, 2023 Margaret, this poem is as linguistically and historically rich as a person could ask for. Thanks for the education and beauty! Reply Margaret Coats September 25, 2023 Many thanks, Talbot, for expressing your appreciation. I recall your beautiful “Toward Yehuling,” a pre-battle poem wistfully anticipating Mongol destruction and wondering about war. Battles, as decisive events in the lives of persons and troops and nations, deserve attention and memory through various approaches. I’m especially glad to have your praise because you are someone who has pondered ways of approaching a similar subject. Reply Talbot September 25, 2023 Thanks for your kind words, as ever. Historical battles seem to reach up from out of history and make a kind of demand on us, if only to briefly remember them. So, I view this kind of poem as very poignant and necessary. Monika Cooper September 24, 2023 “Required From you is scot.” Ha! Nice. For all your exquisite feminine genius, no one would call this poem “womanish.” Triumphalist, maybe, or unflinching, or Homeric. And I’m so happy to add this legend to my overall understanding of the mysterious St. Andrew – thank you, Margaret. Reply Margaret Coats September 26, 2023 Triumphal, yes, Monika. And Homeric battles often have a god involved, if not the goddess Athena who favored Greeks over Trojans. Andrew is a mysterious saint (the first disciple, according to some) whose patronage extends very widely. I’ve written extra verses for a hymn in his honor, in order to notice Russia and Greece as well as Scotland. Will get it out to those interested when I have time to type all the verses below the music. Thank you for your reading and comment. They are much appreciated. Reply Monika Cooper September 27, 2023 Please include me among those interested in the hymn verses! Reply Mia September 29, 2023 I would like that too. I don’t think I can add anything else to the comments in praise of this poem except that I absolutely agree that it is outstanding. Margaret Coats September 29, 2023 Monika and Mia, you are both on the list for the hymn when I can manage to get the music page typed. I’ll ask for my address to be given to you a few days from now, when things will be calmer for administration here. Reply Mia September 29, 2023 Dear Margaret, thank you It is a very rare occurrence but I will not have a computer for a couple of weeks so if I don’t respond it will be because of that. Looking forward to getting in touch soon Best wishes Mia Jim Hofmans October 1, 2023 Wonderful poem in a time of history I was not aware of. Very educational. Keep up the great work Margaret Thank you Reply Margaret Coats October 2, 2023 Thanks, Jim. Very much appreciate your taking the time and making the effort to read and comment! Reply Laura Deagon October 2, 2023 The Battle of Athelstaneford give me a sense of high energy even though I had to take it slow. This poem makes me wonder how you find your topics. In this case, did you read an historic account of it, or is it something you studied in the past? Reply Margaret Coats October 3, 2023 Last time I was in Scotland, I found a book on Saint Andrew by Michael TRB Trumbull, who had done painstaking research on everything about the saint, including this battle. He took photographs of the site and analyzed the medieval historical accounts. I am very fortunate to have the book, but even so I had to do research on the Picts and their weapons and fighting style to put the energy into my story. Glad you were able to discover it there, and that you took it slow enough to make the reading worthwhile. Thanks! Reply Paul Martin Freeman October 4, 2023 Hello Margaret In case you don’t see it, I’ve left a reply to your comment on the haiku competition page. Reply Margaret Coats October 4, 2023 Thanks, Paul Martin. Glad to see you here, and I assure you I’ll take more time to respond to several persons on the haiku page. My attention will be with you as just as soon as I have time to give it! Reply Paul Martin Freeman October 4, 2023 Thank you, Margaret. I’ve just got round to reading your Warrior Poem. I might not have been so bold in my reply had I read it beforehand! Margaret Coats October 5, 2023 Thanks for that compliment to my warlike stance here! Bob Hofmans October 15, 2023 Great poem Margaret and a joy to read. It is forceful and filled with the vigor of the Scottish warriors who engaged in the battle. I also see it as a sober metaphor of the spiritual combat we all must engage in under the Sign of the Cross against the father of lies and his minions. Reply Margaret Coats October 15, 2023 That we must, Bob. In the battle led by Saint Andrew’s Cross here, the entrapped men are fighting for their lives. Our battles under the Sign of the Cross are fought for our souls–and most likely, these conflicts also assist others in their battles, and even help to save other souls. That’s the nature of the Church Militant, and thank you for seeing it in this poem. Reply Leave a Reply Cancel ReplyYour email address will not be published.CommentName* Email* Website Captcha loading...In order to pass the CAPTCHA please enable JavaScript. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Notify me of new posts by email. Δ This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.
Roy Eugene Peterson September 21, 2023 I stand in awe of your knowledge and intellectual capability coupled with great classical poetic acumen. Thank you for all the definitions of arcane words with Scottish origin. I needed that to visualize what transpired. I would love to know what made you select such a Scottish event. Your “Tall carnyx players” brings to mind a theory I acquired from history of wars. One of the reasons there are less tall men in Europe is because commanders like Napoleon would place their tallest men in the front of their formation to intimidate the enemy, thus losing the tallest first and leaving the less tall men to survive resulting in the process of “natural” selection. Reply
Margaret Coats September 22, 2023 Roy, I wanted to write a battle poem, and I had plenty of information about the site and traditional story of this one. It remains significant (though unconfirmed from the point of view of modern historians) because it established the national flag. That made it a good choice, and beyond the outline, I was not constrained by known tactics. The Romans say the Picts fought naked (causing terror by the horrible blue of their bodies) and made dreadful noise. Archeology shows the kinds of weapons they used. As for the carnyx, Romans told about the sonorous cry, but no one heard it for 1000 years, until a few were recently reconstructed. Since these horns themselves are tall, it must have taken big men to carry and play them as a contribution to battle clamor! Thanks very much for your reading and appreciation. Reply
Jeremiah Johnson September 21, 2023 Margaret, Just wanted to say how much I enjoyed this matter-of-fact romp through ancient European history! No commentary on the validity of doing violence in the name of Christ – just good old-fashioned story-telling 🙂 And with a simplicity of feeling in the lines that belies the craft beneath them! Reply
Margaret Coats September 22, 2023 Jeremiah, I’m happy to know that the story came across as a simple tale from old times. Even the saint in the dream is a practical guy, making a deal that the violent pagan warrior can’t resist. Trapped in a deadly situation, just put Andrew in charge and you’ll get out alive and victorious for paying 10% of your property right away! Who wouldn’t agree? Reply
James A. Tweedie September 21, 2023 Margaret, This is a singularly outstanding work deserving of a pushcart or a Pulitzer. It shines with the highest and finest of your craft, your knowledge of language and history, all distilled to a form that is itself a work of art. I am humbled to discover I had not previously known of this battle, its place in Scottish history, and its role in establishing the St. Andrew saltire as the preeminent national symbol of Scotland. “Bravo!” he shouted as the audience rose as one to offer a standing ovation in the hope encouraging an encore . . . Reply
Margaret Coats September 22, 2023 Thank you very much, James. You have encouraged me to go on with the sequel, concerning the establishment of Saint Andrews in northern Scotland, a site which was decided by a providential shipwreck. Let’s pray that I can get it done. I’m not surprised you hadn’t heard of the battle. Some modern historians don’t believe in it. Angus here is a shadowy figure. Scottish Heritage (the ones who place signs at historic places) has identified him with Angus II King of Picts and thus supports the 832 battle date–but he could have been Angus I. The stanza form was chosen as one of the more ample ones used for narrative in an old Scottish poetry book. The Scots seem to like elaborate variety; after the earliest period, there are not many stories in rhyming couplets! Reply
Julian D. Woodruff September 21, 2023 Very vivid, colorful account ,Margaret, with close attention to how extra syllables are placed, I notice. Thanks also for the mini-glossary that supports your marvelous vocabulary. The circumstances and outcome remind me a bit of Lepanto. Reply
Margaret Coats September 22, 2023 Thank you, Julian. I tried for warlike color. Your careful musical reading notices those two places with extra syllables–during the time lapse in line 15, and then after Angus roars in the last stanza. Dramatic spots where more time is appropriate, as long as it does not introduce an extra accent! I’m honored to have this compared to Lepanto, a great battle poem where faith and culture are at stake. At Athelstaneford, the opposing forces were both in part (but only part) Christian. The outcome for Scotland was earthly protection by the king for the advance of the Faith, and acknowledgement of the heavenly patron who took the Picts as his own, and still watches over their descendants. It’s one of those stirring stories where “You have not chosen me, but I have chosen you.” Reply
Paul Freeman September 21, 2023 Apart from being well written, this poem is an education, Margaret. Reply
Margaret Coats September 22, 2023 Two great compliments in ten words, Paul! As usual, I have to use a few more to thank you for reading my lengthy work. Reply
Joseph S. Salemi September 21, 2023 Margaret’s use of rare diction makes this poem seem as barbarically rich as a jewel-encrusted medieval scabbard. Clapperclawed, hempen, woad, square-axe, cockcrow, scot, carnyx — and the very visual “dirk-and-dagger slain”… all of them are like old coins from a treasure chest. The rhyme of “tithe” and “scythe” is pure brilliance! I had not heard the word “culdee” for many years. I used to think that it was an actual monastic order (I recall the spelling as “Culdee”), but now as a result of reading this poem I have learned that it was not a formal organization. This is a powerful and historically revelatory poem. Absolutely top-notch work! Reply
Margaret Coats September 22, 2023 Thank you, Joe. I’m pleased I could move this ancient story into action using some of our precious word treasure. Little details from study turned into lines and phrases. For example, the Athelstaneford area was acknowledged as a battle site when an ancient burial cist was found. It would have been a rude temporary enclosure, which thus preserved a skeleton, probably from an individual of higher rank. The man’s skull had been fractured five times, twice with blows to the face. That’s where my “hammer faces” idea came from. And “clapperclaw” is a similar style of attack. I too remember “Culdees” being capitalized, and there are separatist Christians now who use the capitalized name and have nothing to do with organizations other than their own. The culdees in Scotland seem to have been fluid in organizational mode, “servants of God” sometimes comparable to canons under a bishop, who could take on a particular purpose such as administering the property given by King Angus in my poem. Glad it was worth reading and commenting on. Reply
Brian A. Yapko September 22, 2023 Margaret, there is much to appreciate in this magnificent epic-themed poem, from the selected form to the language to the fascinating story itself. The form seems to be a shortened sonnet form with a rhyme scheme of a-b-a-b-b-c-b-c-d-d, which I read as an abbreviated Spenserian sonnet. It’s a good choice for storytelling as it has expected rhymes but also a metrical drive to it punctuated by those recharging couplets in each stanza. Like Dr. Salemi, I admire your use of Medieval language – used in just the right amount to add spice rather than obscurity – and the ancient quality it brings to this tale. The violence in your story is handled with taste but is still exciting. Your use of the word “rood” conjured for me memories of The Dream of the Rood, which, I hope, is not far off base since it also describes a muscular form of Christianity and is probably roughly contemporaneous with the events in your poem. . Finally, there is the story itself. I have a particular fondness for St. Andrew since he happens to be the patron saint of my mother’s homeland of Prussia and since I was actually named for him (that’s what the A. stands for.) I have never known the story of how Andrew became patron saint of Scotland so this story was as much educational as entertaining. I think it is worth noting that the theme of the Cross leading warriors to victory carries strong echoes of Constantine the Great winning the battle of the Milvian Bridge in 312 A.D. and changing the course of history. Both battles – and how they were won – should be remembered more often and with more confidence in these comparatively faithless times. Reply
Margaret Coats September 22, 2023 Brian Andrew, how right you are! I’m happy to have you mention Constantine, because the Scots, in times of faith, looked at finding their national symbol as a Constantine-event for their land. They were chosen for Christ by Saint Andrew who had prayed for them. After it happened there were three kings of Scotland named Constantine. Andrew appears in my poem as he does in Walter Bower’s Scotichronicon of the 15th century. He wants the Picts to have the celestial glory he possesses, and he will show them so first by giving them military glory. Andrew is a lawyer-like patron in the deal he offers. Angus is not allowed to back out because he was under duress, and he has to pay immediately, but what Andrew promises is not just victory on that field at Athelstaneford. It’s Heaven for the Picts. And what an unlikely earthly deputy he chooses in Angus! Angus had a reputation even in his brutal age of being brutal, cruel, and disloyal. That’s why I’ve made the first stanza raid on Northumbria so violent. The worst instrument can be chosen to serve God’s purposes. He just needs to cooperate. You’re also right to mention Dream of the Rood. Part of that English poem is inscribed on a tall Scottish rood of the 8th century somewhere in the region of Fife. You can probably find a picture if you look up Dream of the Rood images. Reply
Margaret Coats September 24, 2023 Please excuse the abrupt ending of my reply to you, Brian. You are correct that the stanza form of this poem is, in effect, a Spenserian sonnet minus one quatrain. I have noted elsewhere that the Spenserian sonnet should be called the Scottish sonnet from its early development and use in Scotland. And as I told James Tweedie above, I found this very 10-line stanza form used for narrative in Scottish poetry of the past. I like your reference to the couplet at the end of each stanza as “recharging.” I had thought of it as organizing and separating material in sizable blocks that do not become independent poems, as in a sonnet sequence. Both views work. I very much value your observations on the decorum of the poem. I think a battle poem ought to include violence, not merely names and tactics of the event, but I agree that the violence is best presented with taste, such that the poem’s language reports violence, without doing violence to the reader. Disgusting readers by violent language turns the poem into another type, where the poet enters the field to do battle, with the intent to give offence. This is poor artistry, as is overloading a poem with archaic language to the point of obscurity. Thank you again for finding attractve restraint in both the archaic language and in the depiction of violence which is nonetheless as exciting as it should be! And of course I’m glad to have told a story worthy to be remembered. Reply
R M Moore September 27, 2023 Dear Margaret, Well said about presenting violent language in a tasteful manner within the arts. In the case of poetry, the reader never appreciates being offended by the poet acting out his intent to give offence. On another note, please give me a call about Chant for November. Thanks! R.
Margaret Coats September 29, 2023 Thanks for your very apt reflection on the topic of reader response, Mrs. Moore. I am at work on chant for November, as we have discussed.
Talbot September 24, 2023 Margaret, this poem is as linguistically and historically rich as a person could ask for. Thanks for the education and beauty! Reply
Margaret Coats September 25, 2023 Many thanks, Talbot, for expressing your appreciation. I recall your beautiful “Toward Yehuling,” a pre-battle poem wistfully anticipating Mongol destruction and wondering about war. Battles, as decisive events in the lives of persons and troops and nations, deserve attention and memory through various approaches. I’m especially glad to have your praise because you are someone who has pondered ways of approaching a similar subject. Reply
Talbot September 25, 2023 Thanks for your kind words, as ever. Historical battles seem to reach up from out of history and make a kind of demand on us, if only to briefly remember them. So, I view this kind of poem as very poignant and necessary.
Monika Cooper September 24, 2023 “Required From you is scot.” Ha! Nice. For all your exquisite feminine genius, no one would call this poem “womanish.” Triumphalist, maybe, or unflinching, or Homeric. And I’m so happy to add this legend to my overall understanding of the mysterious St. Andrew – thank you, Margaret. Reply
Margaret Coats September 26, 2023 Triumphal, yes, Monika. And Homeric battles often have a god involved, if not the goddess Athena who favored Greeks over Trojans. Andrew is a mysterious saint (the first disciple, according to some) whose patronage extends very widely. I’ve written extra verses for a hymn in his honor, in order to notice Russia and Greece as well as Scotland. Will get it out to those interested when I have time to type all the verses below the music. Thank you for your reading and comment. They are much appreciated. Reply
Mia September 29, 2023 I would like that too. I don’t think I can add anything else to the comments in praise of this poem except that I absolutely agree that it is outstanding.
Margaret Coats September 29, 2023 Monika and Mia, you are both on the list for the hymn when I can manage to get the music page typed. I’ll ask for my address to be given to you a few days from now, when things will be calmer for administration here. Reply
Mia September 29, 2023 Dear Margaret, thank you It is a very rare occurrence but I will not have a computer for a couple of weeks so if I don’t respond it will be because of that. Looking forward to getting in touch soon Best wishes Mia
Jim Hofmans October 1, 2023 Wonderful poem in a time of history I was not aware of. Very educational. Keep up the great work Margaret Thank you Reply
Margaret Coats October 2, 2023 Thanks, Jim. Very much appreciate your taking the time and making the effort to read and comment! Reply
Laura Deagon October 2, 2023 The Battle of Athelstaneford give me a sense of high energy even though I had to take it slow. This poem makes me wonder how you find your topics. In this case, did you read an historic account of it, or is it something you studied in the past? Reply
Margaret Coats October 3, 2023 Last time I was in Scotland, I found a book on Saint Andrew by Michael TRB Trumbull, who had done painstaking research on everything about the saint, including this battle. He took photographs of the site and analyzed the medieval historical accounts. I am very fortunate to have the book, but even so I had to do research on the Picts and their weapons and fighting style to put the energy into my story. Glad you were able to discover it there, and that you took it slow enough to make the reading worthwhile. Thanks! Reply
Paul Martin Freeman October 4, 2023 Hello Margaret In case you don’t see it, I’ve left a reply to your comment on the haiku competition page. Reply
Margaret Coats October 4, 2023 Thanks, Paul Martin. Glad to see you here, and I assure you I’ll take more time to respond to several persons on the haiku page. My attention will be with you as just as soon as I have time to give it! Reply
Paul Martin Freeman October 4, 2023 Thank you, Margaret. I’ve just got round to reading your Warrior Poem. I might not have been so bold in my reply had I read it beforehand!
Bob Hofmans October 15, 2023 Great poem Margaret and a joy to read. It is forceful and filled with the vigor of the Scottish warriors who engaged in the battle. I also see it as a sober metaphor of the spiritual combat we all must engage in under the Sign of the Cross against the father of lies and his minions. Reply
Margaret Coats October 15, 2023 That we must, Bob. In the battle led by Saint Andrew’s Cross here, the entrapped men are fighting for their lives. Our battles under the Sign of the Cross are fought for our souls–and most likely, these conflicts also assist others in their battles, and even help to save other souls. That’s the nature of the Church Militant, and thank you for seeing it in this poem. Reply