"Orpheus and Eurydice" by Poytner‘Orpheus’: A Poem by James Sale The Society May 10, 2024 Beauty, Culture, Poetry 27 Comments . Orpheus We want the heroes back so we can learn: Herakles smashed his way to hell and stormed By violence the ferryman and three-faced dog; Even yanked Theseus from his deep-rooted seat Without a by-your-leave to hell’s dark lord. Is that the way to go? Now is our turn? Another way the mind of Orpheus formed— How music pierces through the deadest fog, Turns even damnation into something sweet, Lets death consider release it can afford. How Orpheus played, till she who was inurned Felt palpable, hair-raising, behind, warmed His neck hotter than any burning log As he went forward hopeful he would meet Light, and her life duly from the god’s word. But Orpheus—us—how easy then to spurn What we are told, ignore the word that’s dawned Already in our darkness, to be then clogged So close to real light, hear heart miss its beat As love refrigerates, turns back, is stored. To feel his tears now, and how he yearned, Not flinching suffering, the full-on pain it spawned, Because in that the meaning points to God: No denial or neurotic parts, instead complete The universe is a song, is a chord. . . James Sale has had over 50 books published, most recently, “Mapping Motivation for Top Performing Teams” (Routledge, 2021). He has been nominated by The Hong Kong Review for the 2022 Pushcart Prize for poetry, has won first prize in The Society of Classical Poets 2017 annual competition, and performed in New York in 2019. He is a regular contributor to The Epoch Times. His most recent poetry collection is “StairWell.” For more information about the author, and about his Dante project, visit https://englishcantos.home.blog. To subscribe to his brief, free and monthly poetry newsletter, contact him at James@motivationalmaps.com NOTE TO READERS: If you enjoyed this poem or other content, please consider making a donation to the Society of Classical Poets. The Society of Classical Poets does not endorse any views expressed in individual poems or commentary. CODEC Stories:Share this:Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window)Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window)Click to print (Opens in new window)Click to share on LinkedIn (Opens in new window)Click to share on WhatsApp (Opens in new window)Click to email a link to a friend (Opens in new window)Click to share on Pinterest (Opens in new window) 27 Responses Linda Alice Fowler May 10, 2024 Wow James. Intense write whether naive heroes or bold cowards we be. Linda Reply Roy Eugene Peterson May 10, 2024 James, my first note regards your application of an amazing chain rhyme scheme throughout all the verses. I note Cerberus is present in the words three-faced dog that fits beautifully within your scheme. Secondly, “We want the heroes back” is a great way to begin the poem. Third, the ending is a beautiful thought of “points to God.” As always, the master excels! Reply James Sale May 11, 2024 Thanks Roy: I’ve always wanted to be a ‘master’ and now with your endorsement I am!!! Watch out Yoda! Glad you spotted and appreciated the complex rhyming! Thanks. Reply Joseph S. Salemi May 10, 2024 The maintenance of a complex rhyme scheme of this type is no easy feat. It’s not just the finding of five rhymes each for five separate words, but also managing to interweave them into an inherited mythic tale that must stay recognizable to the reader. We all know the Orpheus-Eurydice story that Sale recounts here, but he also uses that story to make his additional points about heroism, music’s power, daring hope, foolish disregard of directions, loss, and at last a final closing meditation on how overarching divinity and the universe itself are “a song… a chord.” This is truly using inherited myth to speak of something wider than the mere narrative. Sale is never content with a re-telling; he always infuses an old story with broader perceptions. Reply James Sale May 11, 2024 Thanks Joe, since I only recently commented on how skilful your use of rhyme is, then finding you appreciating mine is a big bonus – I am so pleased you find so much of interest in the work. Thank you again. Reply James Sale May 11, 2024 Thanks Linda: ‘intense’ is my middle name! Glad you liked it! Reply jd May 11, 2024 Your poem is beautiful, James, even with my distant memory of the age-old story. Reply James Sale May 12, 2024 Thanks jd. As I often comment on these SCP pages: beauty is what we want, what we must demand, what we must insist upon if we are to write poetry. Thank you! Reply Brian A. Yapko May 11, 2024 James, you had me at “Orpheus” which, you may recall, is a myth I tried my own hand at. This is one of my favorites of all the classical stories for its pathos and the very human decisions and flaws which are drawn out of the story. The tragedy of Orpheus trying to resurrect Eurydice only to mess it up in the end is heartbreaking. You do this story great service by focusing on Orpheus as Everyman – us – and how easy it is for men to forget the rules, or trivialize them as unimportant. You take us into his thought-processes from the beginning as he strategizes how to bring Eurydice back. Then you go through the decision as to what might best move Hades: music. Orpheus is, after all, the consummate musician. You do a really interesting thing here, though. When things go south, you have Orpheus move on from the Classical gods (here Hades) and nudge him through tragedy into an even greater and deeper perception of the universe and man’s place in it. In fact, you raise the question of theodicy – how do we explain the existence of evil and tragedy in the world. You then bring Orpheus from the Classical world onward to the Judeo-Christian concept of (upper case) God. Divinity is not scattered among various pagan personalities. It exists in one place, in one existence. And, with that firm thought embedded in your conclusion, your final invocation of music no longer reflects Orpheus or his patron Apollo. We are now presented a description of the universe as a song/chord – something far greater and something which invokes two additional references for me: The Music of the Spheres; and John: In the beginning was the Word.” A word can be sung, can it not? Reply James Sale May 12, 2024 I do recall indeed Brian and commented at the time on how much I enjoyed your poem – and clearly we both share a passion for this particular myth. As you comment, and ABB does below, I am very into synthesising the Greek and Judeo-Christian traditions – Milton did, so did Dante, and epic poets should if they are going to be epic poets, and so we can but try to aspire to this great calling and hope the Muse lights the fire. It is perfect, therefore, that you should mention the Word – I can only say that I am currently attempting (though in actual fact I am currently in Verona!) to write Canto 7 of my Paradiso – the Canto of the Poets – and St John the Divine is to make an appearance … so the Muse pre-informs me! Thanks for your ever-perceptive critical acumen in reading poetry – mine in this case! And yes, one song, one verse! Reply ABB May 11, 2024 Orpheus, patron hero of poets, is always an inspired subject for verse. As Brian already articulated in one of his standard subtle analyses, I love your penchant for synthesizing the Greek myths with the Judeo-Christian tradition. Through five stanzas, your five rhymes ascend towards the light. Among the fundamentalists, this is of course a big ‘no-no’—these tedious bores would have us excise the Greeks from everything. Some of leftists, on the other hand, are trying to revive the pagan ways but throwing out Christianity. With Puritans on two sides, you steer a rich middle way. Reply Joseph S. Salemi May 11, 2024 A winner of the Congressional Medal of Honor refused to wear his decoration. You know why? He was a Low-Church fundamentalist evangelical, and he would not wear a medal that had the head of a pagan divinity (Athena) on it. When told that Athena was the tutelary goddess of war, he said he didn’t care. He wasn’t going to wear the award. It’s this kind of ignorant back-country philistinism that betrays our Western heritage, just as much as wokeness and cultural Marxism. Reply James Sale May 13, 2024 Yes, Joe: both suffer from a literalism that is debilitating and dangerous; for starters, it completely limits understanding. James Sale May 13, 2024 Thanks ABB: as Apollo observed- not too much! Or, with Yang we must have Yin! Thanks for pointing out the 5 x 5 structure: the number of ‘grace’ of course! Reply C.B. Anderson May 11, 2024 Marvelous, James, simply marvelous. For the formal discipline alone it is magnificent. I knew you had it in you, and I apologise if I have ever slighted you in the past. Reply James Sale May 13, 2024 Dear CB, Thanks for your kind appreciation and words: most welcome and all is well between us. Reply Susan Jarvis Bryant May 12, 2024 James, to draw upon the story of Orpheus and weave its wonders and wisdom into modern day dilemmas faced by “us” is not only creative, but also much needed in this godless time of cancel-culture. This is the sort of writing that makes one want to pick up the classics and indulge oneself in the true purpose of poetry. Reply James Sale May 13, 2024 Ha ha!!! Look forward to your continuing to do just that, Susan – and thanks for your kind words!!! Reply Margaret Coats May 13, 2024 James, I find the important expression in your poem to be “ignore the word,” or as Brian Yapko says, “trivialize the rules” in the universal song. That is, Orpheus fails to recognize his own part in that chord or song larger than lyre and voice. Perhaps this also pertains to William Ruleman’s sonnet on the misunderstood and dismembered poet, which is another treatment of Orpheus published on this site (though previously published elsewhere). Three excellent reflections on the myth, one that has been thoroughly received into Western civilization, with a great number of interpretations in music and visual arts as well as literature. You take it in the direction of emphasizing suffering (“full-on pain”) that is not mere classic woe, but has meaning because it points to God. And the suffering God is Christ, allowing all sufferers (not just poets) to sanctify themselves through the experience. Truly a universal perspective, though sadly not one accepted by all. Reply James Sale May 14, 2024 Thanks Margaret: yes, the expression, ‘ignore the word’, is the beginning of the transition from the classical world to the Bible. It would have been too strong to write ‘the Word’, but Adam ignored the Word, so did the Israelites after Moses, and so did Orpheus: the greatest sin of all for the Greeks was hubris, and what was hubris? To ignore or disobey the words of a god. As Brian points out, the poem is a kind of movement towards theodicy; but we can rest assured that although the world can ignore ‘reality’, it cannot ignore the consequences of ‘reality’, and this is what is being played out now. Reply Adam Sedia May 16, 2024 This is a very rich poem, both in its technique and its meaning. I find it interesting how the rhyme scheme operates across stanzas rather than within them — a nice touch that obscures the rhyme, but not too much. Many insightful comments have already been said about the substance of the poem. I will add that I love the description of Eurydice’s revival from her own perspective — very “real.” I also enjoy the contrast of Orpheus’s method of assuaging with music to Heracles’s assault. And then there’s the end — plaintive, fatalistic, yet joyful. Amor fati is what I draw from the conclusion. Very nice! Reply James Sale May 19, 2024 Thanks Adam – really pleased you liked the poem and its technique. Everything works together for good – as St Paul observed … with a condition, or it that quibble? (which, as a lawyer, I am sure you know all about!) Reply Patricia Allred May 26, 2024 James, I was so glad you wrote about Orpheus an! his Eurydice. I saw it as in movie form 3 times and am playing music from it right now!So fascinating to me.. and even though I got the movie long ago, the story nnever left my heartl.. I always wanted to go to Brazil.the movie is quite precious. Long before the Internet, some friends of mine we’re going to Brazil and I had talked about what I knew about it so I told them the story of Zuzu angel and what happened to her was a tragedy.. my friend asked me to make an itinerary for Brazil. I have never been there and I had no computer.. I went to the library and made an itinerary for them. They came back so excited they said it was perfect. Isn’t that strange?? They brought me back a T-shirt that says little angel Zuzu owned boutique at that time. And for years after that, people called me Zuzu. But it’s tremendous love story. About Orpheus and Euydice, I sent you the three poems I wrote about it, but I could write about it over and over again. Intelligence from a different point of view.. really hope that you enjoy the ones I sent as much as I enjoyed yours, which will be a favorite of mine ….favorite Thank you for everything James and all you’ve done for me since I’ve been here which is “not enough “Your poem is stunning “…respectfully, Patricia Reply James Sale May 29, 2024 Dear Patricia – thank you so much. I very much enjoyed reading your 3 poems and it is so good when myths live in our mind – they affect us at a profound level. I am sure you will write more on O and E – I think I will because it is so haunting as a story! Let’s do that then! Reply Anthony Watts June 7, 2024 I’m impressed by your handling of the recurring rhymes in each verse, James. Has that form got a name? I note the application of your ‘rule 15’ in the last line, which consists of two iambs followed by two anapaests – an effective departure from the iambic pentameter, and one which is justified by the profound significance of the line. Reply James Sale June 10, 2024 Thanks for this Tony: yes, it’s called a Saleian – please pass that information on to the powers that be! And I have to say: the great thing about you – one of many things I am sure – is that you are such a great reader! Thanks for citing my Rule 15 back at me ( for readers unfamiliar with Rule 15, please sign up to my epic poetry newsletter to find out more!) and also for spotting the aberrant anapaests – which as you say, are justified. This particular trick I learnt from Yeats’ brilliant Leda and the Swan, where the use of 2 anapaests in the sonnet form is especially evocative. Thanks again. 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Linda Alice Fowler May 10, 2024 Wow James. Intense write whether naive heroes or bold cowards we be. Linda Reply
Roy Eugene Peterson May 10, 2024 James, my first note regards your application of an amazing chain rhyme scheme throughout all the verses. I note Cerberus is present in the words three-faced dog that fits beautifully within your scheme. Secondly, “We want the heroes back” is a great way to begin the poem. Third, the ending is a beautiful thought of “points to God.” As always, the master excels! Reply
James Sale May 11, 2024 Thanks Roy: I’ve always wanted to be a ‘master’ and now with your endorsement I am!!! Watch out Yoda! Glad you spotted and appreciated the complex rhyming! Thanks. Reply
Joseph S. Salemi May 10, 2024 The maintenance of a complex rhyme scheme of this type is no easy feat. It’s not just the finding of five rhymes each for five separate words, but also managing to interweave them into an inherited mythic tale that must stay recognizable to the reader. We all know the Orpheus-Eurydice story that Sale recounts here, but he also uses that story to make his additional points about heroism, music’s power, daring hope, foolish disregard of directions, loss, and at last a final closing meditation on how overarching divinity and the universe itself are “a song… a chord.” This is truly using inherited myth to speak of something wider than the mere narrative. Sale is never content with a re-telling; he always infuses an old story with broader perceptions. Reply
James Sale May 11, 2024 Thanks Joe, since I only recently commented on how skilful your use of rhyme is, then finding you appreciating mine is a big bonus – I am so pleased you find so much of interest in the work. Thank you again. Reply
jd May 11, 2024 Your poem is beautiful, James, even with my distant memory of the age-old story. Reply
James Sale May 12, 2024 Thanks jd. As I often comment on these SCP pages: beauty is what we want, what we must demand, what we must insist upon if we are to write poetry. Thank you! Reply
Brian A. Yapko May 11, 2024 James, you had me at “Orpheus” which, you may recall, is a myth I tried my own hand at. This is one of my favorites of all the classical stories for its pathos and the very human decisions and flaws which are drawn out of the story. The tragedy of Orpheus trying to resurrect Eurydice only to mess it up in the end is heartbreaking. You do this story great service by focusing on Orpheus as Everyman – us – and how easy it is for men to forget the rules, or trivialize them as unimportant. You take us into his thought-processes from the beginning as he strategizes how to bring Eurydice back. Then you go through the decision as to what might best move Hades: music. Orpheus is, after all, the consummate musician. You do a really interesting thing here, though. When things go south, you have Orpheus move on from the Classical gods (here Hades) and nudge him through tragedy into an even greater and deeper perception of the universe and man’s place in it. In fact, you raise the question of theodicy – how do we explain the existence of evil and tragedy in the world. You then bring Orpheus from the Classical world onward to the Judeo-Christian concept of (upper case) God. Divinity is not scattered among various pagan personalities. It exists in one place, in one existence. And, with that firm thought embedded in your conclusion, your final invocation of music no longer reflects Orpheus or his patron Apollo. We are now presented a description of the universe as a song/chord – something far greater and something which invokes two additional references for me: The Music of the Spheres; and John: In the beginning was the Word.” A word can be sung, can it not? Reply
James Sale May 12, 2024 I do recall indeed Brian and commented at the time on how much I enjoyed your poem – and clearly we both share a passion for this particular myth. As you comment, and ABB does below, I am very into synthesising the Greek and Judeo-Christian traditions – Milton did, so did Dante, and epic poets should if they are going to be epic poets, and so we can but try to aspire to this great calling and hope the Muse lights the fire. It is perfect, therefore, that you should mention the Word – I can only say that I am currently attempting (though in actual fact I am currently in Verona!) to write Canto 7 of my Paradiso – the Canto of the Poets – and St John the Divine is to make an appearance … so the Muse pre-informs me! Thanks for your ever-perceptive critical acumen in reading poetry – mine in this case! And yes, one song, one verse! Reply
ABB May 11, 2024 Orpheus, patron hero of poets, is always an inspired subject for verse. As Brian already articulated in one of his standard subtle analyses, I love your penchant for synthesizing the Greek myths with the Judeo-Christian tradition. Through five stanzas, your five rhymes ascend towards the light. Among the fundamentalists, this is of course a big ‘no-no’—these tedious bores would have us excise the Greeks from everything. Some of leftists, on the other hand, are trying to revive the pagan ways but throwing out Christianity. With Puritans on two sides, you steer a rich middle way. Reply
Joseph S. Salemi May 11, 2024 A winner of the Congressional Medal of Honor refused to wear his decoration. You know why? He was a Low-Church fundamentalist evangelical, and he would not wear a medal that had the head of a pagan divinity (Athena) on it. When told that Athena was the tutelary goddess of war, he said he didn’t care. He wasn’t going to wear the award. It’s this kind of ignorant back-country philistinism that betrays our Western heritage, just as much as wokeness and cultural Marxism. Reply
James Sale May 13, 2024 Yes, Joe: both suffer from a literalism that is debilitating and dangerous; for starters, it completely limits understanding.
James Sale May 13, 2024 Thanks ABB: as Apollo observed- not too much! Or, with Yang we must have Yin! Thanks for pointing out the 5 x 5 structure: the number of ‘grace’ of course! Reply
C.B. Anderson May 11, 2024 Marvelous, James, simply marvelous. For the formal discipline alone it is magnificent. I knew you had it in you, and I apologise if I have ever slighted you in the past. Reply
James Sale May 13, 2024 Dear CB, Thanks for your kind appreciation and words: most welcome and all is well between us. Reply
Susan Jarvis Bryant May 12, 2024 James, to draw upon the story of Orpheus and weave its wonders and wisdom into modern day dilemmas faced by “us” is not only creative, but also much needed in this godless time of cancel-culture. This is the sort of writing that makes one want to pick up the classics and indulge oneself in the true purpose of poetry. Reply
James Sale May 13, 2024 Ha ha!!! Look forward to your continuing to do just that, Susan – and thanks for your kind words!!! Reply
Margaret Coats May 13, 2024 James, I find the important expression in your poem to be “ignore the word,” or as Brian Yapko says, “trivialize the rules” in the universal song. That is, Orpheus fails to recognize his own part in that chord or song larger than lyre and voice. Perhaps this also pertains to William Ruleman’s sonnet on the misunderstood and dismembered poet, which is another treatment of Orpheus published on this site (though previously published elsewhere). Three excellent reflections on the myth, one that has been thoroughly received into Western civilization, with a great number of interpretations in music and visual arts as well as literature. You take it in the direction of emphasizing suffering (“full-on pain”) that is not mere classic woe, but has meaning because it points to God. And the suffering God is Christ, allowing all sufferers (not just poets) to sanctify themselves through the experience. Truly a universal perspective, though sadly not one accepted by all. Reply
James Sale May 14, 2024 Thanks Margaret: yes, the expression, ‘ignore the word’, is the beginning of the transition from the classical world to the Bible. It would have been too strong to write ‘the Word’, but Adam ignored the Word, so did the Israelites after Moses, and so did Orpheus: the greatest sin of all for the Greeks was hubris, and what was hubris? To ignore or disobey the words of a god. As Brian points out, the poem is a kind of movement towards theodicy; but we can rest assured that although the world can ignore ‘reality’, it cannot ignore the consequences of ‘reality’, and this is what is being played out now. Reply
Adam Sedia May 16, 2024 This is a very rich poem, both in its technique and its meaning. I find it interesting how the rhyme scheme operates across stanzas rather than within them — a nice touch that obscures the rhyme, but not too much. Many insightful comments have already been said about the substance of the poem. I will add that I love the description of Eurydice’s revival from her own perspective — very “real.” I also enjoy the contrast of Orpheus’s method of assuaging with music to Heracles’s assault. And then there’s the end — plaintive, fatalistic, yet joyful. Amor fati is what I draw from the conclusion. Very nice! Reply
James Sale May 19, 2024 Thanks Adam – really pleased you liked the poem and its technique. Everything works together for good – as St Paul observed … with a condition, or it that quibble? (which, as a lawyer, I am sure you know all about!) Reply
Patricia Allred May 26, 2024 James, I was so glad you wrote about Orpheus an! his Eurydice. I saw it as in movie form 3 times and am playing music from it right now!So fascinating to me.. and even though I got the movie long ago, the story nnever left my heartl.. I always wanted to go to Brazil.the movie is quite precious. Long before the Internet, some friends of mine we’re going to Brazil and I had talked about what I knew about it so I told them the story of Zuzu angel and what happened to her was a tragedy.. my friend asked me to make an itinerary for Brazil. I have never been there and I had no computer.. I went to the library and made an itinerary for them. They came back so excited they said it was perfect. Isn’t that strange?? They brought me back a T-shirt that says little angel Zuzu owned boutique at that time. And for years after that, people called me Zuzu. But it’s tremendous love story. About Orpheus and Euydice, I sent you the three poems I wrote about it, but I could write about it over and over again. Intelligence from a different point of view.. really hope that you enjoy the ones I sent as much as I enjoyed yours, which will be a favorite of mine ….favorite Thank you for everything James and all you’ve done for me since I’ve been here which is “not enough “Your poem is stunning “…respectfully, Patricia Reply
James Sale May 29, 2024 Dear Patricia – thank you so much. I very much enjoyed reading your 3 poems and it is so good when myths live in our mind – they affect us at a profound level. I am sure you will write more on O and E – I think I will because it is so haunting as a story! Let’s do that then! Reply
Anthony Watts June 7, 2024 I’m impressed by your handling of the recurring rhymes in each verse, James. Has that form got a name? I note the application of your ‘rule 15’ in the last line, which consists of two iambs followed by two anapaests – an effective departure from the iambic pentameter, and one which is justified by the profound significance of the line. Reply
James Sale June 10, 2024 Thanks for this Tony: yes, it’s called a Saleian – please pass that information on to the powers that be! And I have to say: the great thing about you – one of many things I am sure – is that you are such a great reader! Thanks for citing my Rule 15 back at me ( for readers unfamiliar with Rule 15, please sign up to my epic poetry newsletter to find out more!) and also for spotting the aberrant anapaests – which as you say, are justified. This particular trick I learnt from Yeats’ brilliant Leda and the Swan, where the use of 2 anapaests in the sonnet form is especially evocative. Thanks again. Reply
Anthony Watts June 10, 2024 I’ve just renewed my acquaintance with “Leda and the Swan”, and, yes, there they are – two rogue anapaests – holding hands and looking innocent: “the indifferent beak”. But somehow just right. Reply