"Antonio Stradivari" by Edgar Bundy ‘The Tartini Tones’ by Joseph S. Salemi The Society December 18, 2022 Beauty, Culture, Music, Poetry 26 Comments . The Tartini Tones Combination tones generated by violins of good quality can be easily heard, affecting the perception of the intervals. The harmonic content of the dyad is enriched by the combination tones and this is positively perceived by the listeners. —Giovanni Cecchi, University of Florence Italian Tribune, November 17, 2022 Yes, it’s from Cremona—we’re not sure If made by Stradivarius. Who knows? Despite the sheer magnificence, the pure And bell-like vibrancy, the aural glows, There is no maker’s mark. The provenance Is vague and somewhat sketchy. It’s not nice, But dealers in old violins (to enhance The reputation and the asking price) Would say it came from Stradivari’s hand. And even if not true, the instrument Might well have all the excellence, the grand Style of that master craftsman’s sacrament. I don’t blaspheme. This fiddle channels grace. Just sit in holy silence while it’s played And hear the terzo suono (like fine lace) Intertwine tones, as if you knelt and prayed And heard angelic whispers from on high Hinting of what the sacred seraphs sing To Majesty Immortal. And you cry That you are not in their encircling ring. Those are Tartini tones. The seasoned wood Of deep Italian forests slowly growing Untouched through centuries, that had withstood The chill of countless winters’ frigid blowing Alone can give that terzo suono mix Of doubled, blended notes, and there’s no more. The forests are cut down. You cannot fix That loss, just as no person can restore The quarries of antico nero stone, Avranches cathedral, Bibliothèque Louvain, Or any precious thing for which we moan That stupid men have wrecked, for hate or gain. Perhaps this is not by Stradivari. Well, We hear Tartini tones no matter who Crafted the violin. It casts a spell Just as enchanting as those special few. The nameless maker of this violin In some ill-lit workshop with his plane, His pumice, iron moulds, and varnish tin, Wrought voiceless wood to sing against the grain. . Poet’s Note: Tartini tones are subtle resonances or vibrations produced by antique violins from Cremona, Italy, most particularly those from the workshops of Antonio Stradivari, Giuseppe Guarneri, and other neighboring luthiers. They were first identified and described by the composer Giuseppe Tartini in 1714, who called then a terzo suono (“third sound”) that enriched and deepened the played notes. Listeners and recent laboratory acoustical research both testify that these tones are audibly present in the old violins, and negligible or not present at all in modern instruments. Some persons have theorized that the wood used by these early violin makers was of an unusually dense quality, as a result of the “Little Ice Age” that afflicted the northern hemisphere from about 1300 to 1800. . . Joseph S. Salemi has published five books of poetry, and his poems, translations and scholarly articles have appeared in over one hundred publications world-wide. He is the editor of the literary magazine TRINACRIA and writes for Expansive Poetry On-line. He teaches in the Department of Humanities at New York University and in the Department of Classical Languages at Hunter College. NOTE TO READERS: If you enjoyed this poem or other content, please consider making a donation to the Society of Classical Poets. The Society of Classical Poets does not endorse any views expressed in individual poems or commentary. Trending now: 26 Responses Julian D. Woodruff December 18, 2022 An intriguing poem. Tartini was writing at age 22, so toward the front end of his considerable production of violin music. He and contemporaries like Locatelli and Veracini, and the slightly older Vivaldi (as well as Italian-influenced German violinists like Pisendel) must all have been aware of this phenomenon, but Tartini was the one to describe it in writing. (He also had a lot to say about ornamentation.) I wonder if Brahms’s good friend, the violinist Joachim, who was among the early proponents of Bach’s music for unaccompanied violin (more than a century after it was written) had some influence on the wonderful sonorous double-stop writing in Brahms’s violin sonatas and his Double Concerto. I have a hunch, too, that Tartinian combination tones (or, rather, their absence) are behind Stravinsky’s complaint about the performance of his Elegy on two violas rather than on the single unaccompanied viola he intended. Thanks for a fine, musically alert offering, Joseph. Reply S.I. Wells October 8, 2024 See my response, Oct. 3, 2024 Reply Paul Buchheit December 18, 2022 Thanks, Joseph. I will be listening to the violin with much greater appreciation after reading your work. Reply Joseph S. Salemi December 18, 2022 Well, it’s a crap-shoot as to whether you will hear the Tartini tones on a modern violin. Many violinists aspire to own (or at least occasionally play) a genuine old Cremona instrument, but they are rare and outrageously expensive. There were many explanations in the past for the superior sound of these violins. Some suggested it was simply that they had “aged,” like fine wines. But since the Tartini tones were identified in 1714, when the instruments were still comparatively new, that theory can’t be right. Others said that it was due to the woodstains and varnishes used by the luthiers, but since such things are merely cosmetic and superficial, how could they affect the sound? Many fell back on the explanation that the sounds were due solely to the expert craftsmanship of the Cremonese makers, which had somehow been forgotten or debased or simplified by later luthiers. That theory generally appeals to reactionaries like myself, but I think it is wrong. Italian craftsmen ferociously maintain their traditions and methods, and pass them on religiously to their apprentices and heirs. The gunsmiths Beretta have been making high-quality firearms since the fifteenth century! We know how Stradivari made his violins — in fact, my grandfather made four Stradivarius-style violins following the man’s methods precisely. They were good instruments, but no one who played them heard Tartini tones. What did Sherlock Holmes say? “Consider all the possibilities, Watson, and then eliminate the ones that are not possible. Whatever remains — however implausible — is the correct explanation.” Tartini tones must be due to the nature of the material used for making the instrument. Reply Julian D. Woodruff December 18, 2022 There is no disputing the quality and desirability of Stradivari and Guarneri “del Gesu” violins. But the Tartini tones situation is complicated. To consider only a couple of points: 1) in 1714, when T was writing, Stradivari was in his “golden” period, before which he used different designs; Guarneri was either as yet unknown or not at the peak of his career; 2) their instruments, as with violin-family instruments generally, were built with shorter, thinner bass bars less sprung (attached to the under side of the top with less tension), and the strings were of gut and gut wrapped with gut–not the steel and metal-wrapped synthetic strings in general use today. Most of these instruments were “modernized” in the 19th century, although some have more recently been returned to something close to their original specs. These and other factors complicate the issue. S.I. Wells October 8, 2024 See my response, Oct. 3, 2024 Mike Bryant December 18, 2022 Joe, your poem does absolute justice to the recent literature on Tartini tones and violins. For years it has been accepted that the Tartini tones were created in our eardrums or in our minds. The study that recently came out establishes that the sound waves actually exist in the air… these sound waves are real. The other finding, as you note, is that the best violins, that were made in the little ice age, produce these pleasing tones at louder volumes. I believe the reason is still being debated… a secret varnish or harder woods? The combination tones can be generated more easily on some instruments. There is a YouTube video of a saxophonist that creates this bit of magic by “singing” a tone a certain interval above the note he is playing INTO his tenor sax! It creates a third note that is an octave below the lower note. The Tartini tone is lower than the range of the sax! I have heard these third tones before, but not associated with the violin. I always assumed they were a sort of sonic interference pattern. Thanks for bringing this bit of new knowledge to life in this smashing poem… (practicing my British) Reply S.I. Wells October 8, 2024 See my reply, Oct. 3, 2024 Reply Brian Yapko December 18, 2022 This is very beautiful and offers a novel lesson in musical history and harmonics. I take it that Tartini tones in fact a form of audible harmonic which results from playing a quality, historical Italian instrument? Your poem is especially poignant for its references to scarce artistic source materials that have been squandered through foolishness. This background makes the elusive Tartini tone from a wood that no longer exists that much more precious. I like the conversational style of this poem (literally, with references to “I” and “You”) which makes the poem accessible but which is elevated by gorgeous phrasing such as “angelic whispers from on high/Hinting of what the sacred seraphs sing/To Majesty Immortal.” Reply S.I. Wells October 8, 2024 See my response, Oct. 3, 2024 Reply Paul Freeman December 19, 2022 As always, your fine poetry is an education. The connection between the hardness of the wood and the Little Ice Age makes complete sense. It took me back to the Italian Alps and terminal moraines, relics of the Little Ice Age, heaped up like barricades across glacial valleys. What a pity that the woodlands existent then have been felled for Man’s short-term gain. The poignancy and beauty of the last line, in particular, I found breathtaking. Reply Cynthia Erlandson December 19, 2022 What an exquisite portrayal of a seemingly miraculous musical phenomenon! I was especially mesmerized by verses 4 and 5: ” This fiddle channels grace.”; the comparison of the tones to fine lace; and the way the word “Intertwine”, with its momentary reversal of the meter, gave me a sort of auditory “image” of the “angelic whispers.” Reply C.B. Anderson December 19, 2022 “This fiddle channels grace.” Is an especially apt expression that precedes a very nice elaboration of the subject. I have played stringed instruments (guitar, mandolin) over the years, and the only harmonics I ever hear are ones I force by lightly touching the strings at certain intervals — of course! I have no such fine instrument like the ones you describe. Some people claim they can hear harmonics in the babble of a rushing brook. Reply James A. Tweedie December 19, 2022 Glue, wood, varnish, regardless of the source or sources, the tones are there, and as Joe points out in a most personal, familial way, they cannot be replicated satisfactorily by even the finest of today’s craftsmen. 2 stories: A violinist friend at great expense purchased a mid-18th century Italian instrument. The lower registers sang like Joe’s angels with a tone and tones that were exquisite beyond measure. “What a find!” I said to myself as he played. But when he hit the high-soaring trebles that we associate with the Stradivari of Heifetz and Menuhin, the sound was thin, weak and almost grating. “No wonder he could afford it,” I decided. It takes a complete instrument to produce a complete sound and there are very few of those. Story 2: I went shopping for a guitar for my daughter, looking at a mid-quality mass-produced Yamaha (red—she wanted red). There were two to choose from. The first sounded cheaper than the price. The second sounded as good or better than instruments selling for 10 times the price. The store owner agreed and was baffled at the difference. When I purchased it he threw in an expensive case for free because “the guitar deserved it.” Clearly there is more than science involved, here. I won’t call it magic, although it seems to tempt in that way. But it is as if something of the maker and the wood come alive in certain instruments in a way where their voices live and sing in concert with the voices of those who are worthy of playing them. Tartini tones? Certainly. At the least. And Joe’s poem captures my own experience with this priceless quality with an ear that is in its own way, masterful. Reply S.I. Wells October 8, 2024 See my response, Oct. 3, 2024. Reply Joseph S. Salemi December 19, 2022 Thank you all for your very kind remarks, and for your commentary. I have nowhere near the musical expertise expressed by those who have posted here. Reply Edward Hayes PhD January 9, 2023 Mr. Salemi Evan Mantyk suggested I direct my question to you. Can you recommend a book, or books, on the (London) Bloomsbury group of poets who wrote, roughly, between the world wars, and included the American T.S. Eliot? I would truly appreciate any guidance. Edward “Ted”Hayes [email protected] Reply Isabel Scheltens December 20, 2022 There is a nuanced tension between appreciating what is old and famous and what is objectively beautiful. So too between yearning for the past because it is past and because something good is irreplaceable. I appreciate your nuanced view of the thing. Reply Margaret Coats December 22, 2022 Like Cynthia, I wonder whether you intend to suggest additional tones with metrical variations in your conversational style. It seems your speaker might try to do that with pitch and loudness variations if we were hearing him. You and he imply that only old Cremona violins have Tartini tones. But if the wood growing during colder winters is the reason for those tones, any European violin from the period should manifest them. Or is there something special about forests in the Cremona region? Maybe local subspecies of spruce and maple, if not unique weather. I heard that Strads contain less moisture than other violins, which makes the wood more resonant, but I thought that was due to seasoning known to have been applied. Traces of the chemicals used appear in fragments of damaged instruments being repaired. Anyway, considering the lifespan of trees used, your speaker is a bit hard on Italian forest clearers. Even if they had left all the trees in place, we are now well beyond the life expectancy of spruce and maple matured during the Little Ice Age. And I presume that instrument makers would have wanted wood from healthy trees in their prime, not from decrepit elders. Just knowing that Antonio Stradivari’s sons are considered less talented than their father, I might give more weight to the individual craftsman, as well as to the individuality of each instrument. As James Tweedie explained with regard to Yamaha guitars, there is sometimes no explanation for vast differences in quality between products of the same process. It could have something to do with small things we consider insignificant, such as tree geometry in relation to how the wood was split before the instrument maker received it. To say something that I haven’t said before, we would benefit by more poems on top craftsmanship. In this one, Joseph, you give a good model by focusing on what could be called the mystery or mythic quality of Stradivarius violins. That’s more deserving of poetic craft than would be a descriptive poem on the process, or a catalogue of the wondrous aspects of the product. Putting it in the easy-to-comprehend words of a down-to-earth speaker is your particular mode. Reply Joseph S. Salemi December 23, 2022 We can’t be sure of what exactly makes those Cremonese instruments so special. As I mentioned in my note, the idea that an unusually dense “Little Ice Age” wood is responsible is only one theory. To me it seems more plausible than any other, but I made use of the theory in my poem because it meshed more easily with my overall aesthetic purpose, not because there is necessarily any “truth” behind it. The poem — the fictive artifact — is always the poet’s primary concern when composing. Everything else is purely subservient to that end. Similarly, not all Italian forests have been cleared. It’s not like Sicily or North Africa after the after the Moorish locusts came. But the image of vanished forests fits in nicely with the poem’s sub-theme of irreparable cultural loss, so traditional poetic license allows me to write as if it were true. Poems are not legal depositions or police reports. The choriambic start of “Intertwine tones” that Cynthia noticed in the fourth quatrain was indeed deliberate, but not as a way to parallel the acoustic quality of Tartini tones. One can’t replicate that sort of thing in words on a page. I agree that more poems on top craftsmanship would be wonderful to have. And yes, they can’t simply outline process, which would be tedious if carried to any length. But poets should remember that the primary craft that we should expose is our own special gift, which is the expert use of language. Reply Sally Cook December 23, 2022 As you know, I come from a musical family. I had a piano for years after leaving home, and my repetoire narrowed to Baroque and early Baroque. New York provided neither money or space for one, but there was a sheet music store on Second Avenue; where I went to get more familiar with the less familiar composers. I found that each composer of note had a style that came across to me as a flavor. Tartini seemed to be both tart and gingery. Good old synethesia ! As to my mother, the violinist in the group, she had several violins and left them sitting around the house so that if she wanted to play, there was always one at hand. Reply Joseph S. Salemi December 23, 2022 Sally, you have always been skilled in synesthesia. You can hear the sound of colors, smell the scents of words, taste the flavor of shapes, feel the textures of musical notes… it’s a gift that very few people have. When I was a kid and my grandfather mentioned the Tartini tones, I thought the word was the plural of “tortone,” the Italian ice-cream dessert. S.I. Wells October 3, 2024 I am so glad that Sunday Baroque has brought out this much-neglected facet of music theory and practice. My interest in this matter stems from many years of harmonic study, along with a lot of listening and exploration of tone production by a variety of methods -including ‘off’-tuning of instruments- in order to sample the exotic harmonies they could produce –generally dismissed by mainstream musicians. I was inspired by Scriabin’s venture into the higher harmonics for chord formation, and was excited to learn of Debussy deliberately standing in an isolated area to listen to distant chimes of ‘out of tune’ church bells–hoping to capture inspiration for his own harmonic innovations. The Tartini tones are indeed a complicated subject, as others have remarked, and will likely attract further study well into the future. But I have an answer to their curious antique production and more curious lack of modern production. I think it is in the tuning of the instruments themselves: back in the days of instrument-making in the early 1700s, the generation of the musical modes and scales was undergoing a change from the ancient ‘justly-intoned’ method of tuning, based principally on the cycle of fifths and the natural harmonic sequence to the new ‘wonder’ of modulational versatility: the ‘well-tempered’ scale, popularized famously by one J.S. Bach. Although this new scaling of intervals proved of great utility in tuning instruments and transposing through the entire range of musical keys with ease, it lost something very important in its effect upon the ear: This was the loss of rational number relations of the frequencies of the musical notes themselves, as developed even more famously by the ancient Greek Pythagoreans. You see, the intervals of the well-tempered scale are all irrational numbers, being multiples of the well-tempered semitone division of the 2:1 octave ratio. That is, the modern semitone forms a frequency ratio of the twelfth root of 2, and all other intervals are powers of this number: i.e., the fifth, with the classic and proper harmonic ratio of 3:2, now is consigned to the ratio of the 12th root of 2 to the seventh power -an irrational number signifying a non-repeating, non-terminating decimal which CAN NOT be represented a ratio of simple whole numbers! I know this is getting technical, but the upshot is that combination tones cannot be produced by irrational intervals –the combination ‘third tones’ have a frequency of zero, so are completely inaudible. I suspect this is why they are seldom heard in modern play –the tuning is irrational, and the players’ ears are trained to reproduce all the other irrational intervals in their performances. Only the really old instruments are apt to convey the true production of ‘undertones’ such as Tartini was hearing. (more found at cywelsian dot blogspot dot com under the heading Tartini Tones and the Music of the Spheres). Reply Joseph S. Salemi October 8, 2024 Dear S.I. Wells — I am not a musician or an acoustical theorist, so I cannot comment with any authority on your views concerning Tartini tones. I knew next to nothing about the subject until I read that brief article in The Italian Tribune, and it was this that gave me the inspiration to write my poem. I accepted the common explanation of the dense “Ice Age” wood simply because it seemed to be plausible, and it fit in with the narrative line of my poem. Thank you for your interest. Reply S. I. Wells October 11, 2024 Thank you for your reply, Joseph. I am no poet but I greatly enjoyed your own wonderful poem on Tartini. But is not a poet, like a dancer, a close cousin to a composer? At least this was the ancient Greek view of ‘Mousik’e’ –being poetry music and dance combined, rather like opera. I am attempting to make these important subtleties of harmony comprehensible to non-musicians and non-mathematicians on my site: https://cywelsian.blogspot.com/2024/10/tartini-tones-and-music-of-spheres.html –which you and other correspondents may wish to consult. My ultimate goal is to establish a solid groundwork of a fully expanded harmonic theory for the future of composition, which frankly, I believe is currently running low on material. S. I. Wells October 11, 2024 P.S., I certainly do not wish to denigrate your own ‘Ice Age Wood’ contribution to the science of sound –in fact, it forms a necessary complement to the study of this complex subject. And speaking of such, did you know there is only ONE remaining playable Stradivarius guitar in the world? 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Julian D. Woodruff December 18, 2022 An intriguing poem. Tartini was writing at age 22, so toward the front end of his considerable production of violin music. He and contemporaries like Locatelli and Veracini, and the slightly older Vivaldi (as well as Italian-influenced German violinists like Pisendel) must all have been aware of this phenomenon, but Tartini was the one to describe it in writing. (He also had a lot to say about ornamentation.) I wonder if Brahms’s good friend, the violinist Joachim, who was among the early proponents of Bach’s music for unaccompanied violin (more than a century after it was written) had some influence on the wonderful sonorous double-stop writing in Brahms’s violin sonatas and his Double Concerto. I have a hunch, too, that Tartinian combination tones (or, rather, their absence) are behind Stravinsky’s complaint about the performance of his Elegy on two violas rather than on the single unaccompanied viola he intended. Thanks for a fine, musically alert offering, Joseph. Reply
Paul Buchheit December 18, 2022 Thanks, Joseph. I will be listening to the violin with much greater appreciation after reading your work. Reply
Joseph S. Salemi December 18, 2022 Well, it’s a crap-shoot as to whether you will hear the Tartini tones on a modern violin. Many violinists aspire to own (or at least occasionally play) a genuine old Cremona instrument, but they are rare and outrageously expensive. There were many explanations in the past for the superior sound of these violins. Some suggested it was simply that they had “aged,” like fine wines. But since the Tartini tones were identified in 1714, when the instruments were still comparatively new, that theory can’t be right. Others said that it was due to the woodstains and varnishes used by the luthiers, but since such things are merely cosmetic and superficial, how could they affect the sound? Many fell back on the explanation that the sounds were due solely to the expert craftsmanship of the Cremonese makers, which had somehow been forgotten or debased or simplified by later luthiers. That theory generally appeals to reactionaries like myself, but I think it is wrong. Italian craftsmen ferociously maintain their traditions and methods, and pass them on religiously to their apprentices and heirs. The gunsmiths Beretta have been making high-quality firearms since the fifteenth century! We know how Stradivari made his violins — in fact, my grandfather made four Stradivarius-style violins following the man’s methods precisely. They were good instruments, but no one who played them heard Tartini tones. What did Sherlock Holmes say? “Consider all the possibilities, Watson, and then eliminate the ones that are not possible. Whatever remains — however implausible — is the correct explanation.” Tartini tones must be due to the nature of the material used for making the instrument. Reply
Julian D. Woodruff December 18, 2022 There is no disputing the quality and desirability of Stradivari and Guarneri “del Gesu” violins. But the Tartini tones situation is complicated. To consider only a couple of points: 1) in 1714, when T was writing, Stradivari was in his “golden” period, before which he used different designs; Guarneri was either as yet unknown or not at the peak of his career; 2) their instruments, as with violin-family instruments generally, were built with shorter, thinner bass bars less sprung (attached to the under side of the top with less tension), and the strings were of gut and gut wrapped with gut–not the steel and metal-wrapped synthetic strings in general use today. Most of these instruments were “modernized” in the 19th century, although some have more recently been returned to something close to their original specs. These and other factors complicate the issue.
Mike Bryant December 18, 2022 Joe, your poem does absolute justice to the recent literature on Tartini tones and violins. For years it has been accepted that the Tartini tones were created in our eardrums or in our minds. The study that recently came out establishes that the sound waves actually exist in the air… these sound waves are real. The other finding, as you note, is that the best violins, that were made in the little ice age, produce these pleasing tones at louder volumes. I believe the reason is still being debated… a secret varnish or harder woods? The combination tones can be generated more easily on some instruments. There is a YouTube video of a saxophonist that creates this bit of magic by “singing” a tone a certain interval above the note he is playing INTO his tenor sax! It creates a third note that is an octave below the lower note. The Tartini tone is lower than the range of the sax! I have heard these third tones before, but not associated with the violin. I always assumed they were a sort of sonic interference pattern. Thanks for bringing this bit of new knowledge to life in this smashing poem… (practicing my British) Reply
Brian Yapko December 18, 2022 This is very beautiful and offers a novel lesson in musical history and harmonics. I take it that Tartini tones in fact a form of audible harmonic which results from playing a quality, historical Italian instrument? Your poem is especially poignant for its references to scarce artistic source materials that have been squandered through foolishness. This background makes the elusive Tartini tone from a wood that no longer exists that much more precious. I like the conversational style of this poem (literally, with references to “I” and “You”) which makes the poem accessible but which is elevated by gorgeous phrasing such as “angelic whispers from on high/Hinting of what the sacred seraphs sing/To Majesty Immortal.” Reply
Paul Freeman December 19, 2022 As always, your fine poetry is an education. The connection between the hardness of the wood and the Little Ice Age makes complete sense. It took me back to the Italian Alps and terminal moraines, relics of the Little Ice Age, heaped up like barricades across glacial valleys. What a pity that the woodlands existent then have been felled for Man’s short-term gain. The poignancy and beauty of the last line, in particular, I found breathtaking. Reply
Cynthia Erlandson December 19, 2022 What an exquisite portrayal of a seemingly miraculous musical phenomenon! I was especially mesmerized by verses 4 and 5: ” This fiddle channels grace.”; the comparison of the tones to fine lace; and the way the word “Intertwine”, with its momentary reversal of the meter, gave me a sort of auditory “image” of the “angelic whispers.” Reply
C.B. Anderson December 19, 2022 “This fiddle channels grace.” Is an especially apt expression that precedes a very nice elaboration of the subject. I have played stringed instruments (guitar, mandolin) over the years, and the only harmonics I ever hear are ones I force by lightly touching the strings at certain intervals — of course! I have no such fine instrument like the ones you describe. Some people claim they can hear harmonics in the babble of a rushing brook. Reply
James A. Tweedie December 19, 2022 Glue, wood, varnish, regardless of the source or sources, the tones are there, and as Joe points out in a most personal, familial way, they cannot be replicated satisfactorily by even the finest of today’s craftsmen. 2 stories: A violinist friend at great expense purchased a mid-18th century Italian instrument. The lower registers sang like Joe’s angels with a tone and tones that were exquisite beyond measure. “What a find!” I said to myself as he played. But when he hit the high-soaring trebles that we associate with the Stradivari of Heifetz and Menuhin, the sound was thin, weak and almost grating. “No wonder he could afford it,” I decided. It takes a complete instrument to produce a complete sound and there are very few of those. Story 2: I went shopping for a guitar for my daughter, looking at a mid-quality mass-produced Yamaha (red—she wanted red). There were two to choose from. The first sounded cheaper than the price. The second sounded as good or better than instruments selling for 10 times the price. The store owner agreed and was baffled at the difference. When I purchased it he threw in an expensive case for free because “the guitar deserved it.” Clearly there is more than science involved, here. I won’t call it magic, although it seems to tempt in that way. But it is as if something of the maker and the wood come alive in certain instruments in a way where their voices live and sing in concert with the voices of those who are worthy of playing them. Tartini tones? Certainly. At the least. And Joe’s poem captures my own experience with this priceless quality with an ear that is in its own way, masterful. Reply
Joseph S. Salemi December 19, 2022 Thank you all for your very kind remarks, and for your commentary. I have nowhere near the musical expertise expressed by those who have posted here. Reply
Edward Hayes PhD January 9, 2023 Mr. Salemi Evan Mantyk suggested I direct my question to you. Can you recommend a book, or books, on the (London) Bloomsbury group of poets who wrote, roughly, between the world wars, and included the American T.S. Eliot? I would truly appreciate any guidance. Edward “Ted”Hayes [email protected] Reply
Isabel Scheltens December 20, 2022 There is a nuanced tension between appreciating what is old and famous and what is objectively beautiful. So too between yearning for the past because it is past and because something good is irreplaceable. I appreciate your nuanced view of the thing. Reply
Margaret Coats December 22, 2022 Like Cynthia, I wonder whether you intend to suggest additional tones with metrical variations in your conversational style. It seems your speaker might try to do that with pitch and loudness variations if we were hearing him. You and he imply that only old Cremona violins have Tartini tones. But if the wood growing during colder winters is the reason for those tones, any European violin from the period should manifest them. Or is there something special about forests in the Cremona region? Maybe local subspecies of spruce and maple, if not unique weather. I heard that Strads contain less moisture than other violins, which makes the wood more resonant, but I thought that was due to seasoning known to have been applied. Traces of the chemicals used appear in fragments of damaged instruments being repaired. Anyway, considering the lifespan of trees used, your speaker is a bit hard on Italian forest clearers. Even if they had left all the trees in place, we are now well beyond the life expectancy of spruce and maple matured during the Little Ice Age. And I presume that instrument makers would have wanted wood from healthy trees in their prime, not from decrepit elders. Just knowing that Antonio Stradivari’s sons are considered less talented than their father, I might give more weight to the individual craftsman, as well as to the individuality of each instrument. As James Tweedie explained with regard to Yamaha guitars, there is sometimes no explanation for vast differences in quality between products of the same process. It could have something to do with small things we consider insignificant, such as tree geometry in relation to how the wood was split before the instrument maker received it. To say something that I haven’t said before, we would benefit by more poems on top craftsmanship. In this one, Joseph, you give a good model by focusing on what could be called the mystery or mythic quality of Stradivarius violins. That’s more deserving of poetic craft than would be a descriptive poem on the process, or a catalogue of the wondrous aspects of the product. Putting it in the easy-to-comprehend words of a down-to-earth speaker is your particular mode. Reply
Joseph S. Salemi December 23, 2022 We can’t be sure of what exactly makes those Cremonese instruments so special. As I mentioned in my note, the idea that an unusually dense “Little Ice Age” wood is responsible is only one theory. To me it seems more plausible than any other, but I made use of the theory in my poem because it meshed more easily with my overall aesthetic purpose, not because there is necessarily any “truth” behind it. The poem — the fictive artifact — is always the poet’s primary concern when composing. Everything else is purely subservient to that end. Similarly, not all Italian forests have been cleared. It’s not like Sicily or North Africa after the after the Moorish locusts came. But the image of vanished forests fits in nicely with the poem’s sub-theme of irreparable cultural loss, so traditional poetic license allows me to write as if it were true. Poems are not legal depositions or police reports. The choriambic start of “Intertwine tones” that Cynthia noticed in the fourth quatrain was indeed deliberate, but not as a way to parallel the acoustic quality of Tartini tones. One can’t replicate that sort of thing in words on a page. I agree that more poems on top craftsmanship would be wonderful to have. And yes, they can’t simply outline process, which would be tedious if carried to any length. But poets should remember that the primary craft that we should expose is our own special gift, which is the expert use of language. Reply
Sally Cook December 23, 2022 As you know, I come from a musical family. I had a piano for years after leaving home, and my repetoire narrowed to Baroque and early Baroque. New York provided neither money or space for one, but there was a sheet music store on Second Avenue; where I went to get more familiar with the less familiar composers. I found that each composer of note had a style that came across to me as a flavor. Tartini seemed to be both tart and gingery. Good old synethesia ! As to my mother, the violinist in the group, she had several violins and left them sitting around the house so that if she wanted to play, there was always one at hand. Reply
Joseph S. Salemi December 23, 2022 Sally, you have always been skilled in synesthesia. You can hear the sound of colors, smell the scents of words, taste the flavor of shapes, feel the textures of musical notes… it’s a gift that very few people have. When I was a kid and my grandfather mentioned the Tartini tones, I thought the word was the plural of “tortone,” the Italian ice-cream dessert.
S.I. Wells October 3, 2024 I am so glad that Sunday Baroque has brought out this much-neglected facet of music theory and practice. My interest in this matter stems from many years of harmonic study, along with a lot of listening and exploration of tone production by a variety of methods -including ‘off’-tuning of instruments- in order to sample the exotic harmonies they could produce –generally dismissed by mainstream musicians. I was inspired by Scriabin’s venture into the higher harmonics for chord formation, and was excited to learn of Debussy deliberately standing in an isolated area to listen to distant chimes of ‘out of tune’ church bells–hoping to capture inspiration for his own harmonic innovations. The Tartini tones are indeed a complicated subject, as others have remarked, and will likely attract further study well into the future. But I have an answer to their curious antique production and more curious lack of modern production. I think it is in the tuning of the instruments themselves: back in the days of instrument-making in the early 1700s, the generation of the musical modes and scales was undergoing a change from the ancient ‘justly-intoned’ method of tuning, based principally on the cycle of fifths and the natural harmonic sequence to the new ‘wonder’ of modulational versatility: the ‘well-tempered’ scale, popularized famously by one J.S. Bach. Although this new scaling of intervals proved of great utility in tuning instruments and transposing through the entire range of musical keys with ease, it lost something very important in its effect upon the ear: This was the loss of rational number relations of the frequencies of the musical notes themselves, as developed even more famously by the ancient Greek Pythagoreans. You see, the intervals of the well-tempered scale are all irrational numbers, being multiples of the well-tempered semitone division of the 2:1 octave ratio. That is, the modern semitone forms a frequency ratio of the twelfth root of 2, and all other intervals are powers of this number: i.e., the fifth, with the classic and proper harmonic ratio of 3:2, now is consigned to the ratio of the 12th root of 2 to the seventh power -an irrational number signifying a non-repeating, non-terminating decimal which CAN NOT be represented a ratio of simple whole numbers! I know this is getting technical, but the upshot is that combination tones cannot be produced by irrational intervals –the combination ‘third tones’ have a frequency of zero, so are completely inaudible. I suspect this is why they are seldom heard in modern play –the tuning is irrational, and the players’ ears are trained to reproduce all the other irrational intervals in their performances. Only the really old instruments are apt to convey the true production of ‘undertones’ such as Tartini was hearing. (more found at cywelsian dot blogspot dot com under the heading Tartini Tones and the Music of the Spheres). Reply
Joseph S. Salemi October 8, 2024 Dear S.I. Wells — I am not a musician or an acoustical theorist, so I cannot comment with any authority on your views concerning Tartini tones. I knew next to nothing about the subject until I read that brief article in The Italian Tribune, and it was this that gave me the inspiration to write my poem. I accepted the common explanation of the dense “Ice Age” wood simply because it seemed to be plausible, and it fit in with the narrative line of my poem. Thank you for your interest. Reply
S. I. Wells October 11, 2024 Thank you for your reply, Joseph. I am no poet but I greatly enjoyed your own wonderful poem on Tartini. But is not a poet, like a dancer, a close cousin to a composer? At least this was the ancient Greek view of ‘Mousik’e’ –being poetry music and dance combined, rather like opera. I am attempting to make these important subtleties of harmony comprehensible to non-musicians and non-mathematicians on my site: https://cywelsian.blogspot.com/2024/10/tartini-tones-and-music-of-spheres.html –which you and other correspondents may wish to consult. My ultimate goal is to establish a solid groundwork of a fully expanded harmonic theory for the future of composition, which frankly, I believe is currently running low on material.
S. I. Wells October 11, 2024 P.S., I certainly do not wish to denigrate your own ‘Ice Age Wood’ contribution to the science of sound –in fact, it forms a necessary complement to the study of this complex subject. And speaking of such, did you know there is only ONE remaining playable Stradivarius guitar in the world? Here is a virtuoso performance, of a work by a virtuoso composer, on a virtuoso instrument! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUd_Tl3N3wE